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  • Buyer Beware New iMacs Hard Disk Not Upgradeable




    Other World Computing, the de facto after market iMac upgrade retailer and servicer, is reporting they are unable to replace the main hard disk in the recently released iMacs.

    This sucks. A lot.

    Apple has become increasingly unfriendly toward the do-it-yourself community over the years. While the iMac and other all-in-one devices aren't inherently designed to be tinkered with, I always held solace in the fact I could replace my hard drive if it ever died. I could add ram. Maybe even sneak in a SSD in the extra drive bay (which you can still do). However, these dreams with the new iMacs are crushed.

    Before, Apple limited the ability to change hard drives by using its own specific thermal sensor cable connected to drives that featured internal temperature sensing. Drives could be replaced, but users were relegated to replacing Seagate drives with larger Seagate drives and Western Digital drives with larger WD drives etc.

    However, according to OWC, Apple has moved from a common 4-pin SATA power connector to a 7-pin configuration with hard drive temperature being controlled by a combination of the cable and Apple's proprietary firmware on the drive itself.

    From our testing, we’ve found that removing this drive from the system, or even from that bay itself, causes the machine’s hard drive fans to spin at maximum speed and replacing the drive with any non-Apple original drive will result in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test (AHT).
    Even more depressing, the latest iMac EFI Update increased the speed of two internal eSATA ports to 6Gb/s speeds and one of them is the proprietary drive. Which can't even take advantage of the speed increase.

    Despite this tomfoolery the iMacs can still take advantage of OWC's Turnkey Upgrade Program. Users will only be able to add an additional SSD in open drive bay within the 27" iMac's casing. Still, for users to be forced to take a 27" iMac to an Apple Store or accredited service provider all because a hard drive fails, is overly restrictive.

    Hard drives fail. I've had three fail on me. I replaced them. Even if it is a pain to do, I'd at least like the option to be able to upgrade or fix my system without Lord Jobs' approval.

    Hopefully a workaround is figured out soon.

    Source: OWC
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Buyer Beware New iMacs Hard Disk Not Upgradeable started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 60 Comments
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dayvidpriddy View Post
      The only reason why Mac's do not have virus's is because there aren't enough Mac's out there in the world for virus writers to waste their time on lol. Seriously man you fell right into that one!
      Nope, you did. UNIX is greater than DOS in every way. Refer to A3gOwner's post.

      Quote Originally Posted by jius View Post
      Looks like its 'Bye Bye Miss Apple Pie!' Funny thing is - no matter what happens or what is said here - apple fanboys will still jump to the offensive and to apples rescue. Sad but true!
      Please learn the difference between the two words, "offense" and "defense".

      Quote Originally Posted by ShredNasty View Post
      Well, I'm stuck. Idk what route to take. I have a G5, which is super nice, it's just a PowerPC though (IMB not Intel), so no Snow Leopard and no Lion. My price range is 1k - 1.5k but I was willing to step out of that a little to get an iMac. New G5s are too expensive. No laptop. I looked into a Hackintosh, but I'm no 1337 ***x0r and I'm way picky about what I want and don't want. PC is a no. I guess a used G5 Intel will be my route. I don't really see another route.

      Edit; I had no idea h, a, and x made a bad word here. Lamesauce.
      G5's are not intel processors. They're motorola. Did you mean i5?

      Look into a used MacBook pro.
    1. Xenthis's Avatar
      Xenthis -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      I find it funny how many uneducated windows trolls there are on an Apple product forum. The door is that way. Enjoy your viruses.



      Where are your facts about SJ being greedy? Perhaps if you researched before your comment
      you would know he only takes
      $1 a year as payment, and that
      is only so he is a legal
      employee.

      Hmm--- how much money does he have in apple stock?
    1. bigdog5142's Avatar
      bigdog5142 -
      Ok...lrt's hope this idea doesn't migrate to the MacBook or MacBook Pro lines. I've always wanted n iMac, but I won't be purchasing one now. It's not too much to keep the HD and RAM user upgradable. Ridiculous to take that away...
    1. jasvncnt10's Avatar
      jasvncnt10 -
      Here is what i never understand about some of theses forums.
      Just because this is a forum about Apple, does not mean we have to LOVE every single thing about Apple or everyone of their products. Some of you take negative comments about Apple personally. Get over it. People can still not like an Apple product or prefer another computer besides Apple.
      I own iphones because as of now its the best phone for me. But as far as Apple goes, lets just say I'm not crazy about them. I own PC's and that's all I will ever own. Like most here I like to have the ability to change/upgrade whatever parts I want when I want. Does that mean I shouldn't be on this site or give my opinion?
      My GF has always had Macs. I just bought her the new iMac 27". Spent $2500 in Apple store last weekend. What a F'd up store that is by the way. Now your going to tell me I cant change out the hard drive if i need/want to? But because this is an Apple site I should still shut my mouth and praise them? Ya gotta be kidding me...some people are like zombies and have a one track mind.
      [IMG]
    1. Bushybrows's Avatar
      Bushybrows -
      Let's see, since when did steve jobs need any of u to defend him? Last I checked he doesn't know any of u and he makes hella cash. Don't know if he's greedy or not but the word egotistical control freak comes to mind. Basically it boils down to him thinking we're all to stupid to be messing around with his product. It's a great product but kinda condescending when u pay all that money for something to be told what u can't do with it. If u want apple then your gonna have to toe the line. PC guys can jump the fence and go crazy. It's your choice. Just remember, some people do better with having things shoved down there throat. If your willing to give up on certain freedoms when it comes to your computing then apple is ur man, if not just go do your thing your way on a pc. Choice people
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by Xenthis View Post
      Hmm--- how much money does he have in apple stock?
      I'm not sure about the money he wisely invested in Apple.

      Look at Gates. He gets paid huge sums, and has stock. Then to get people to like him, he does big public stunts where he gives most of it away.

      Also, why the hell does everyone think that SJ runs everything inside apple? People, he's not superman.
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      I'm not sure about the money he wisely invested in Apple.

      Look at Gates. He gets paid huge sums, and has stock. Then to get people to like him, he does big public stunts where he gives most of it away.

      Also, why the hell does everyone think that SJ runs everything inside apple? People, he's not superman.
      Yeah gates does it For "tax purposes" and pr/making himself look good tho I think. Just my opinion. Sj does like to be a part of things but by no means he run everything. Someone will come up with a cfw for the hard drive and a diy cable it's just a matter of time/need for it. Then a swap should be pretty simple.
    1. jasvncnt10's Avatar
      jasvncnt10 -
      Quote Originally Posted by A3gOwner View Post
      Someone will come up with a cfw for the hard drive and a diy cable it's just a matter of time/need for it. Then a swap should be pretty simple.
      Hope so. But to me, the point is, no one should have to. We shouldn't have to have special cables made and what not just to swap out a hard drive if need be. At least we can still change the battery's in the mouse if we need to....for now...until Apple thinks we are too stupid for that
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Quote Originally Posted by jasvncnt10 View Post
      Hope so. But to me, the point is, no one should have to. We shouldn't have to have special cables made and what not just to swap out a hard drive if need be. At least we can still change the battery's in the mouse if we need to....for now...until Apple thinks we are too stupid for that
      But see everyone wants to jump the gun and gripe apple this apple that. When I haven't seen anyone question why. There might be a good reason for it. They are going to a 7 pin connector instead of the usual 4. Did anyone stop and think huh what's the extra 3pins for and what exactly do they do. They might know something that we don't about this whole thing. Mightbe something new or just a way to charge more who knows. We'll find out soon enough.
    1. jasvncnt10's Avatar
      jasvncnt10 -
      Quote Originally Posted by A3gOwner View Post
      But see everyone wants to jump the gun and gripe apple this apple that. When I haven't seen anyone question why. There might be a good reason for it. They are going to a 7 pin connector instead of the usual 4. Did anyone stop and think huh what's the extra 3pins for and what exactly do they do. They might know something that we don't about this whole thing. Mightbe something new or just a way to charge more who knows. We'll find out soon enough.
      Good point. Whatever the reason is i just hope i am able to replace the drive if i need to. The idea lugging that machine back to Apple to get a hard drive replaced is just retarded and a pain in the arse
      But then again...why did Apple switch screws on the iPhone 4? Did it hold it together any better?
    1. istinkles's Avatar
      istinkles -
      apple's gone off its rocker with this one. this exactly why i have a hackintosh

      Quote Originally Posted by A3gOwner View Post
      But see everyone wants to jump the gun and gripe apple this apple that. When I haven't seen anyone question why. There might be a good reason for it. They are going to a 7 pin connector instead of the usual 4. Did anyone stop and think huh what's the extra 3pins for and what exactly do they do. They might know something that we don't about this whole thing. Mightbe something new or just a way to charge more who knows. We'll find out soon enough.
      you're being a fanboy. there is absolutely no reason that is good enough for apple to remove something as essential as being able to remove the hard drive. it's so you can pay more money to them so they can fix and upgrade it instead of letting you do it yourself
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Quote Originally Posted by istinkles View Post
      apple's gone off its rocker with this one. this exactly why i have a hackintosh



      you're being a fanboy. there is absolutely no reason that is good enough for apple to remove something as essential as being able to remove the hard drive. it's so you can pay more money to them so they can fix and upgrade it instead of letting you do it yourself
      See but I'm not A fanboy by no means. I could careless what you use or why you use it. I use what I use for a reason and 90% of the time it's not osx or windows. Linux is my preferred os so hardware is just hardware to me. how ever I do have 2 macs (a mbp and a g5) and numerous "pcs and pc laptops". So how am I a fanboy? Now to me it makes more sense that they just opened up the sata to 6g/s and probably need more power to push the full I/o of the bus. You never know in the tech world.
    1. cpotoso's Avatar
      cpotoso -
      Quote Originally Posted by A3gOwner View Post
      Wow you have no clue huh? 95% of windows apps will run in wine, crossover, or cedega. Hell iTunes will run in wine no problems. Why waste all those precious CPU cycles on running a virtual box when you can run a lighter emulator? Why would an intel Mac be anydifferent than say a g5? unless your running windows on it. That's about the only difference between the two.
      I have no clue, eh? Yeah, sure, you master computer uber genious.

      1) Two words: "MS Office". Alas I need it, and it does not go well with wine.

      2) intel different than g5: yep, quite so, for some of the reasons above. G5 gives substantially less flexibility than intel (i.e., you can run natively windoze, most linux distributions, and osx), I have run linux for g5 (at some point I even had a beowulf cluster of 20 g5's running linux), but there weren't too many varieties and not a lot of precompiled software (sorry, I do not have time to compile everything from scratch, perhaps I should have hired an uber genious like you to run my systems).

      Before you actually post and call somebody clueless, get a clue yourself.

      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      I find it funny how many uneducated windows trolls there are on an Apple product forum. The door is that way. Enjoy your viruses.



      Where are your facts about SJ being greedy? Perhaps if you researched before your comment you would know he only takes $1 a year as payment, and that is only so he is a legal employee.

      Because you really believe that his $1 salary is his only income... Sure, I also have a bridge to sell you if you are interested.

      Quote Originally Posted by ShredNasty View Post
      What would I do in Hawaii? Remove viruses from my PC in a more exotic setting?
      My goodness, the apple fan boys are at full speed! What would I do in HI? Enjoy the place, perhaps you can not think of anything other than playing with the computer?

      BTW: in case some other clueless person comes along: I currently have 1 iphone (jailbroken and unlocked), 1 ipod touch (jailbroken), 1 mac pro (8 cores), 2 imacs (intel, 1 white, 1 al), 1 ipad 2 (att 3G, 64G, arriving next week, can't wait to jailbreak it).
    1. Simon's Avatar
      Simon -
      Quote Originally Posted by cpotoso View Post
      1) Two words: "MS Office". Alas I need it, and it does not go well with wine.
      There is Microsoft Office for Mac. If you really need the windows version of office (for Publisher maybe) then Crossover runs it quite well on a Mac.
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
      There is Microsoft Office for Mac. If you really need the windows version of office (for Publisher maybe) then Crossover runs it quite well on a Mac.
      OpenOffice is a viable option too Crossover and cedega run it (ms office) pretty well on Linux. See if he knew tho and based on what he says will probably never get it. If he had a cluster of g5's like he claims then compiling any program should only take a matter of seconds to minutes tops (ie distcc or distributed c compiler) and if they all g5 then you'd only need to compile one kernel then copy to each respectively. I'll shut up now cause I don't know what I'm talking about obviously.
    1. sfjava's Avatar
      sfjava -
      Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
      more reason to get a PC/
      If you need to use MacOS then get Hackintosh.

      You can always get a macpro to customize as much as in a PC.

      Quote Originally Posted by reprazent1 View Post
      That's just stupid from Apple - the last apple machine I owned was the G3, I was interested in the new iMacs because I wanted a dedicated machine for photo editing.

      Guess I'll build a new PC. Heck for the price of one iMac, I can build two.
      Not really, nowadays imac price is very competitive. a 27" ips monitor alone costs you more than $1000, check out the price of 27 ips on Dell.
    1. ShredNasty's Avatar
      ShredNasty -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      G5's are not intel processors. They're motorola. Did you mean i5?

      Look into a used MacBook pro.
      It look like a MacPro, except it only has one disk drive slot and the highest OSX version I can run is 10.5.8. I was under the assumption that it had IMB processors, buit it's lack of Intel processors is why I can't run 10.6+.

      I looked at used Macs all night. They're usually 70% of the cost of a new one to get a mystery machine with no warranty. Powermax is trying to sell G5 towers with 1 Gb of RAM, no install disks, and only 10.5 loaded for $1200! Eff that ess!

      I'm gonna have to think long and hard on this one, because I'm NOT planning on buying a new comp for a few years after this one.
    1. A3gOwner's Avatar
      A3gOwner -
      Wow this thread died.
    1. Mes's Avatar
      Mes -
      Had seriously considered moving back to Apple. This news quashed that idea. Left Apple back in the 90's. Couldn't muster paying 2x for an stock drive with special Apple restrictions. I won't play their stupid games. My $$$, my choice!

      Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    1. Rob2G's Avatar
      Rob2G -
      Reviving this old thread just to say the comment above me is still just as stupid now as it was in 2011.