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  • Foxconn to Workers: Sign Here To Verify You Love Life


    The Center for Research on Multinational Corporations and Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehavior (SACOM) published a report to "ascertain the workplace improvement in place, if any" at Foxconn production facilities today.

    Hint. Not much.

    When news of an inordinate amount of suicides occuring amongst Foxconn employees broke last year, Foxconn, after much pressure and scrutiny, made a number of promises to improve working conditions and employee treatment. In fact employees were asked to sign a statement promising not to kill themselves and pledging to "treasure their lives."

    I wish my job required me to make that pledge. God knows I have the urge to kill myself everyday.

    Below is a list of the promises versus what SACOM found.

    Wages

    Promise: Across-the-board increase

    Reality: Miscalculation of wages; unpaid overtime work

    Work Hours

    Promise: Decrease from 80 hours over time a month to 36 hours of overtime work a month.

    Reality: Routinely 80-100 hours of overtime work a month including continuous shifts which deny a meal break

    Health & Safety

    Promise: Adequate personal protective equipment and health examination.

    Reality: Lack of protection and workers are not well informed about the chemicals they are using.

    Student Workers

    Promise: Length of internship regulated; skills training provided; underage workers protected (ages 16-18)

    Reality: Interns are de facto workers and on mandatory night shift.

    Grievance mechanism

    Promise: Better worker-management communication by launching hotline for workers

    Reality: Workers cannot find effective ways to handle the grievances at workplace.
    SACOM visited three Foxconn production facilities. Two of the facilities were new and located in the Chengdu and Chongqing municipality in Western China. The Chengdu facility produces iPads and employs an estimated 100,000 workers. The Chonnqing facility produces HP laptops and employs an estimated 10,000 workers. The third facility visited in the study was actually a revisiting of Foxcon's flagship plants in Longhua and Guanlan in the Shenzhen, which employ an estimated 500,000 workers.

    SACOM's findings aren't encouraging. The new facilities, particularly in Chengdu, aren't finished, resulting in production and construction going hand-in-hand. Workers, both construction and production, must deal with trucks passing by at high-speeds, exposure to aluminum dust and chemicals without adequate protective equipment, and must undergo "military training" to impose the ideal of obedience on the workers.

    Human management at Foxconn is "merely a slogan." In Shenzen employees continue to be housed in dormitories surrounded by anti-suicide nets. In the year since Foxconn's horrific treatment of its workforce was plastered all over headlines little has changed. Except the number of iDevices, tablets and portable electronics produced has sky rocketed with demand.

    Unfortunately, the cheap, cost effective, and fast labor tech companies utilize to meet their ever increasing demand will continue to present a moral quandary.

    We can't condone what they do, but we can't operate "affordably" without their services.

    Source: SACOM
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Foxcon to Workers: Sign Here To Verify You Love Life started by Phillip Swanson View original post
    Comments 33 Comments
    1. SoCal Railroader's Avatar
      SoCal Railroader -
      Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
      Like I've said in these types of postings before, don't like it don't work there. Sorry your working conditions suck, sorry your government is crap, sorry you don't have many options for work in your crap country.
      I would certainly pay more for my electronics if need be but as long as I can keep getting it for a relatively cheap price to myself, I don't really care what happens on the other end of the line. All you bleeding hearts saying how sad she looks and so forth as you look at this article on your mac, iPhone, iTouch ect ect stop being part of the problem. Sell all your iDevices and send the money to that poor girl in the picture.


      Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner!
      I think you're just trying to be obnoxious so people will pay attention to you, at least I hope that's the case, I would hate to think anybody out there seriously lives their lives like you have said you live yours.
    1. loso86's Avatar
      loso86 -
      Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
      Like I've said in these types of postings before, don't like it don't work there. Sorry your working conditions suck, sorry your government is crap, sorry you don't have many options for work in your crap country.
      I would certainly pay more for my electronics if need be but as long as I can keep getting it for a relatively cheap price to myself, I don't really care what happens on the other end of the line. All you bleeding hearts saying how sad she looks and so forth as you look at this article on your mac, iPhone, iTouch ect ect stop being part of the problem. Sell all your iDevices and send the money to that poor girl in the picture.


      Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner!
      I really really hope one day you are in a situation where there is no light at the end of the tunnel, i.e. I hope you get terminal cancer, and nobody "really care what happens on the other end of the line"
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by loso86 View Post
      I really really hope one day you are in a situation where there is no light at the end of the tunnel, i.e. I hope you get terminal cancer, and nobody "really care what happens on the other end of the line"
      Wow, way to take the high road. You're just as bad as you think he is.

      "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
    1. drmstix303's Avatar
      drmstix303 -
      I am really getting tired of Modmyi not checking for typos and grammar mistakes!! It's "Foxconn" not "Foxcon". I know it is a minor mistake, but just check your writing next time. There was an article a few days ago that was hindered by incorrect grammar and such.
    1. unison999's Avatar
      unison999 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jahooba View Post
      Yeah, none of this is surprising. This is China, after all - the same China that is occupying Tibet. They should ask how the Tibetan people feel about the military forcibly restricting their culture, and how the Chinese government is trying to 'breed-out' their race.

      China, as far as I'm concerned, is one of the biggest threats to the world. But I'm optimistic - China is not as closed off as they (the Communist Government) wished they were, so information is now flowing fairly freely. It's only a matter of time before their people rise up and demand to become a Republic. All people want to be free, naturally.


      I have no love for China, I came from Taiwan which is being oppressed by China from joining international community. Hell China got Taiwan kicked out of UN.

      What I read from your post is everyone should be like us.

      China has slowly opened up China since the 80's, feels very free when I went there in 2006. Do not feel any oppression like you are imagining, and yes I've visit the countryside of China and they feel the same.
      Now how is U.S.? Big brother watching all the time. Government taking more and more of your money, tells you what you have to spend on losing freedom every day.

      BTW U.S. have absolutely have no right to talk. Who is in Afghanistan? Pakistan? Iraq? You really think we are fighting for their people's freedom? Paying billions to the corrupt government of each and every mentioned countries. Hell one even had U.S. #1 wanted man for years most likely getting paid off by him, and still had no problem taking billions a year from U.S. That is the government U.S. supports just to get a bit more oil.
    1. dhamien's Avatar
      dhamien -
      The whole article is bad since it relies on this false premise "... an inordinate amount of suicides occuring amongst Foxconn employees..."

      There wasn't an inordinate amount of suicides. The rate falls well within the regular suicide rate. All this article does is stir up emotions where it's absolutely not needed nor warranted.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by SoCal Railroader View Post
      Wow, I can't believe somebody actually believes that

      I think that girl's face says it all, tired and sad looking.

      I have to wonder too, why is Apple still using this company if they are so horrible? Does Apple not have ethics, or do they shove them away while they count their billions?
      Billions. Nuff said.
    1. G113764's Avatar
      G113764 -
      If they were busy working, then they wouldn't have had enough time to kill themselves. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WORKING HARD ENOUGH!!! (just kidding)

      Seriously though, I could care less what the statistics and the averages are. If ONE person commits suicide, then they need to stop and examine how they conduct business. If a worker is happy, he/she will feel obligated to work 1,000x harder. Slave Labor equals quick crappy work, instead of prideful quality work. I'm not saying to build them a Rec. Center, but these are, nonetheless..... PEOPLE. Have a damn pizza party or something; COME ON!

      Bet if a sloppy fat miserable bastard of a co-worker tossed himself off a building because of poor work conditions, your job would have a moment of silence and you'd stand around the cooler all day talking about how it could have been prevented. Americans have a arrogant "oh well, it's not my problem" attitude; it's called karma, prepare for it.
    1. dhamien's Avatar
      dhamien -
      Quote Originally Posted by G113764 View Post
      Seriously though, I could care less what the statistics and the averages are. If ONE person commits suicide, then they need to stop and examine how they conduct business.
      You should care, because it's all that matters. Suicides happen and it's not the fault of the work place if the rate is the same inside the business as it is outside.
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      Don't like it, don't work there? Are you serious? These people have families and the corporations are exposing them for their need to provide. How would you like it if every occupation you are capable to work in suddenly decided to pay you 3 dollars an hour? Who would you complain to? The government? How would you like it if they said, "Well if you don't like it, don't work there."

      Seriously people on this forum will go teeth and nail to defend Apple like they're capable of no flaws. It's sick and disgusting.
    1. G113764's Avatar
      G113764 -
      Quote Originally Posted by dhamien View Post
      You should care, because it's all that matters. Suicides happen and it's not the fault of the work place if the rate is the same inside the business as it is outside.
      True. However, something inside should tugg at your concience a little bit when you hear about things like this. Death<CellPhone is little hard to justify. The greedy business men may not be responsible, maybe it is just they're society. Just saying that maybe I'd be more prone to off myself too if I had to sit in front of a sewing machine for 16 hrs straight, with no break. I'm far from a bleeding heart, but despite how you feel on the subject, people are not numbers. One shouldn't just shrugg their shoulders at human suffering.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      [QUOTE=G113764;6035969]True. However, something inside should tugg at your concience a little bit when you hear about things like this. Death
    1. dhamien's Avatar
      dhamien -
      Quote Originally Posted by G113764 View Post
      True. However, something inside should tugg at your concience a little bit when you hear about things like this. Death<CellPhone is little hard to justify. The greedy business men may not be responsible, maybe it is just they're society. Just saying that maybe I'd be more prone to off myself too if I had to sit in front of a sewing machine for 16 hrs straight, with no break. I'm far from a bleeding heart, but despite how you feel on the subject, people are not numbers. One shouldn't just shrugg their shoulders at human suffering.
      I'm not just shrugging it off. Loss of life can be a terrible thing and it definitely is for those left behind. My whole point is simply that if the rate is the same inside the business as it is outside, then the business is not what's causing it. It cannot be. So while I do think us in the west should stop exploiting 3rd world countries, saying that what Apple/Foxconn is doing is heightening the risk of their workers committing suicide is simply not true.