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  • RIM May Pay 'Any Price' to Beat Apple, Google Out of Nortel Patents


    Research in Motion wants to drive the nails through the coffin on Google and Apple's respective efforts to secure the bevy of highly valuable patents up for grabs from bankrupt Nortel - patents that contain hot, in-demand technologies for the LTE 4G networking standard.

    According to reports published this weekend, the BlackBerry maker is gunning for the likes of Google and Apple to secure the patents "at any price." And, in terms of price, this one is definitely a sticker shock in the making. Just days ago, The Wall Street Journal reported that Google's bid - which is still on the table - stands at $900 million.

    “Google is a relatively young company, and although we have a growing number of patents, many of our competitors have larger portfolios given their longer histories,” Google general counsel Kent Walker told the WSJ. “So after a lot of thought, we’ve decided to bid for Nortel’s patent portfolio in the company’s bankruptcy auction."

    From Bloomberg:
    Nortel filed for bankruptcy in January 2009 after a loss of $5.8 billion as its customers put off spending on new equipment amid the recession. Since then, Nortel has raised about $3 billion for its creditors by selling businesses, with the patents portfolio the last of the major assets to be sold.
    The bankruptcy auction is precisely why these attractive 6000 patents are up for grabs.

    Although it isn't clear just how much Apple, Nokia and RIM are bidding, sources say RIM is poised to out-bid them all if it means obtaining Nortel's patents. Of course, this is merely hearsay. But if RIM is serious and plans to counter Google's offer - at this time it doesn't appear that Apple will, despite having the financial resources to do so - an auction will be held June 20 to determine who will get the goods.

    Patent attorneys and industry analysts who have weighed in on the matter almost universally concur that bidding will ultimately top $1 billion for the patents - patents, many say, that could easily return that large investment in a relatively short period of time.

    Source: WSJ, Bloomberg
    This article was originally published in forum thread: RIM May Pay 'Any Price' to Beat Apple, Google Out of Nortel Patents started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 41 Comments
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Apple is 300 points above RIM in the stocks.
    1. coolguy742's Avatar
      coolguy742 -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      Apple is 300 points above RIM in the stocks.
      Thanks lol, I needed some backup
    1. trentmorris's Avatar
      trentmorris -
      Quote Originally Posted by TheOrioles33 View Post
      Like RIM could really outbid Apple or Google?
      RIM is no small company, it would all depend how far Apple/Google wanted to take the bidding.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by coolguy742 View Post
      1) don't call me an idiot because that makes it personal and nobody likes a personal argument aka "flame war"
      2) I know that RIM has been around for a long time but I do believe that Apple has a lot more money (brb ima go check some stocks and shareholder reports lol)
      Ok I checked some stocks
      Aapl- 327.46
      RIMM-52.7
      Goog-530.7
      So clearly Apple has far more assets than RIM does and Google has even more than Apple. Debate won.
      RIM has a card to play that neither apple or google does. Their on going relationship with the US govt. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but if RIM wants those patents, they'll get em one way or another. AKA by hook or by crook.
    1. ShredNasty's Avatar
      ShredNasty -
      Quote Originally Posted by back9player View Post
      You are both idiots... Do you realize how long RIM has been around? And how much of the market share they held for a very long time?
      Who in the **** gives a **** how long they've been around? I want them to go out in the harshest way possible. They don't deserve to be in business. They are no longer innovative or competant, and the market has been telling them that to their faces for a few years now. Every single device they bring to market is outdated trash weeks before it's released. My prediction, no RIM by 2015. QNX won't save them or their sh*tty OS.
    1. JonnyBoy123's Avatar
      JonnyBoy123 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ShredNasty View Post
      Who in the **** gives a **** how long they've been around? I want them to go out in the harshest way possible. They don't deserve to be in business. They are no longer innovative or competant, and the market has been telling them that to their faces for a few years now. Every single device they bring to market is outdated trash weeks before it's released. My prediction, no RIM by 2015. QNX won't save them or their sh*tty OS.
      Agreed! I still don't know how RIM is STILL in business but as you pointed out, they're expiration date is soon to come by at least 2015.
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      A lot of people trashing RIM. Even when the iPhone dropped, RIM still held a huge amount of marketshare. It's not like that money up and vanished. They definitely have the pockets to get into a fire fight with Apple/google.

      At worst case, they force Google or Apple to pay over a couple billion for those patents.
    1. Essenar's Avatar
      Essenar -
      Uh, why are you comparing stocks? Let's break this down-
      Apple's range of products/services:
      Desktop computers
      Laptop computers
      Software
      Digital media distribution/iTunes
      Mobile media devices
      Cell phones
      Tablets

      Google's range of products/services:
      The best and most used search engine in the world
      Cloud services
      Email
      Map services
      Potentially billions of dollars in online advertising
      Cell phone operating system

      RIMM:
      Cell phones
      Now tablets

      So yeah, Google has $500 stocks but that's not just from cell phones. Apple has $300 stocks but that's not just from iPhone. Whatever money RIMM has, is there just from cell phones.

      Again, iPhone user here full time but don't be surprised if RIMM takes these patents and at worst drives their cost up a couple billion.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by JonnyBoy123 View Post
      Agreed! I still don't know how RIM is STILL in business but as you pointed out, they're expiration date is soon to come by at least 2015.
      Government contracts. Both in the US and abroad is how they stay in business. While the average consumer may not like that a bb won't play angry birds, RIM has 100% cornered the market when it comes to govt agencies.
    1. bigboyz's Avatar
      bigboyz -
      Agreed!
    1. coolguy742's Avatar
      coolguy742 -
      Quote Originally Posted by creasy425 View Post
      Government contracts. Both in the US and abroad is how they stay in business. While the average consumer may not like that a bb won't play angry birds, RIM has 100% cornered the market when it comes to govt agencies.
      You're right, my uncle has a gov't issued Blackberry, they give the gov't some damn good contracts
    1. jmillermcp's Avatar
      jmillermcp -
      Quote Originally Posted by coolguy742 View Post
      You're right, my uncle has a gov't issued Blackberry, they give the gov't some damn good contracts
      Speaking from personal experience with RIM in the Gov't, the ONLY reason they have any presence in the Gov't is because you can lock the phones down airtight with FIPS-certified encryption and extremely fine security policies. From a contract and support perspective, they're horrible. Getting RIM to give any level of relevant support is like getting a Republican to vote for universal healthcare.

      Apple and MS are too concerned with the consumer market right now and it's a pity especially since you don't need anything extra to get the iPhone or WinMo to work with Exchange.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jmillermcp View Post
      Speaking from personal experience with RIM in the Gov't, the ONLY reason they have any presence in the Gov't is because you can lock the phones down airtight with FIPS-certified encryption and extremely fine security policies. From a contract and support perspective, they're horrible. Getting RIM to give any level of relevant support is like getting a Republican to vote for universal healthcare.

      Apple and MS are too concerned with the consumer market right now and it's a pity especially since you don't need anything extra to get the iPhone or WinMo to work with Exchange.
      Ur point about security is dead on. Also, when #%it hits the the fan (see 9-11), a bb is still functional.
    1. Moreno53's Avatar
      Moreno53 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Essenar View Post
      Uh, why are you comparing stocks? Let's break this down-
      Apple's range of products/services:
      Desktop computers
      Laptop computers
      Software
      Digital media distribution/iTunes
      Mobile media devices
      Cell phones
      Tablets

      Google's range of products/services:
      The best and most used search engine in the world
      Cloud services
      Email
      Map services
      Potentially billions of dollars in online advertising
      Cell phone operating system

      RIMM:
      Cell phones
      Now tablets

      So yeah, Google has $500 stocks but that's not just from cell phones. Apple has $300 stocks but that's not just from iPhone. Whatever money RIMM has, is there just from cell phones.

      Again, iPhone user here full time but don't be surprised if RIMM takes these patents and at worst drives their cost up a couple billion.
      LOL....you can't be serious.

      You dont want to compare stock prices but then post up a ludicrous list of completely irrelevant info?? Who cares how Google, Apple, or RIM made their money...they could have made it selling buttons, what does it matter.


      Oh and to the morons talking about cell phone market share...what in the world does that have to do with how much money the company has. Like market share denotes what a companies cash reserves, profits, losses, and assets has.

      Quote Originally Posted by creasy425 View Post
      Ur point about security is dead on. Also, when #%it hits the the fan (see 9-11), a bb is still functional.
      And an iPhone/WinMo/Android phone wouldn't be??
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Moreno53 View Post
      LOL....you can't be serious.

      You dont want to compare stock prices but then post up a ludicrous list of completely irrelevant info?? Who cares how Google, Apple, or RIM made their money...they could have made it selling buttons, what does it matter.


      Oh and to the morons talking about cell phone market share...what in the world does that have to do with how much money the company has. Like market share denotes what a companies cash reserves, profits, losses, and assets has.



      And an iPhone/WinMo/Android phone wouldn't be??
      It's a known fact that in ny during the immediate aftermath of 9-11 bb's were the only cellular devices able to function in that area. It's due to bb's data connection. So......no an iPhone/winmo/android wouldn't be.
    1. delusion950's Avatar
      delusion950 -
      They'll go broke and BB will vanish !
    1. ShredNasty's Avatar
      ShredNasty -
      Quote Originally Posted by creasy425 View Post
      Government contracts. Both in the US and abroad is how they stay in business. While the average consumer may not like that a bb won't play angry birds, RIM has 100% cornered the market when it comes to govt agencies.
      ....until the 90 year olds die off.

      They are consistantly behind the curve not only in hardware, but software as well. In an increasingly tech-centric world, this will not do, contract or no contract. The "security" thing will keep the smelly turd around until someone comes up with a way to have security WITHOUT the qwerty dogturd in their pockets. When crappy crap plagues the life of humans, we invent awesome stuff to rid us of said crappy crap. Kinda like the butter churn. It sucked ***. We figured it out. This is actually the very damned definition of the word "technology". A little ironic that a technology company is getting technology'd out of technology.

      Their business and government contracts are obviously not doing the trick, as RIM is sweaty and desparate to break into the consumer market. Kinda like how GM can't survive on governement Cadillac sales alone. And what does RIM do? They promote a proprietary MMS service (BBM aka Useless aka ghey), and drop a half *** tablet that the 1 year old iPad pwns. And when are they gonna get that touch screen down? What's the Torch? Take 3? Still trash.....meanwhile, in Cupertino......

      Hey, they may stick around a while. They'd just better get used to being the "Crappy Work Phone" guys.
    1. gQstatus05's Avatar
      gQstatus05 -
      RIM will always be around. RIM offers many services and are heavily used in government agencies because they are easy to monitor/control. Many companies purchases Blackberry servers which run upwards of 10k and up. You have to buy a license for every user on the server with equates to $100/per user. Their phones are all the same to me but they do sell.

      The worst mistake that they could make as a company is make BBM available on other platforms. I know a lot of people who won't get rid of their BB's because of it.

      My money is on Google acquiring the patents.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ShredNasty View Post
      ....until the 90 year olds die off.

      They are consistantly behind the curve not only in hardware, but software as well. In an increasingly tech-centric world, this will not do, contract or no contract. The "security" thing will keep the smelly turd around until someone comes up with a way to have security WITHOUT the qwerty dogturd in their pockets. When crappy crap plagues the life of humans, we invent awesome stuff to rid us of said crappy crap. Kinda like the butter churn. It sucked ***. We figured it out. This is actually the very damned definition of the word "technology". A little ironic that a technology company is getting technology'd out of technology.

      Their business and government contracts are obviously not doing the trick, as RIM is sweaty and desparate to break into the consumer market. Kinda like how GM can't survive on governement Cadillac sales alone. And what does RIM do? They promote a proprietary MMS service (BBM aka Useless aka ghey), and drop a half *** tablet that the 1 year old iPad pwns. And when are they gonna get that touch screen down? What's the Torch? Take 3? Still trash.....meanwhile, in Cupertino......

      Hey, they may stick around a while. They'd just better get used to being the "Crappy Work Phone" guys.
      How many 90 yr old FBI DEA ATF NSA or CIA field agents do you think there are?

      If bbm is so crappy, why do so many people swear by it.

      Mean while in cupertino they still can't figure out true push email, forget about doing it on multiple accounts.

      RIM was a major player in the consumer market long before the iPhone came along.

      Have you ever even used a bb keyboard? It runs circles around typing on a touch screen.

      But thanks for playing.
    1. Tperry's Avatar
      Tperry -
      Quote Originally Posted by JonnyBoy123 View Post
      Agreed! I still don't know how RIM is STILL in business but as you pointed out, they're expiration date is soon to come by at least 2015.
      Maybe because in places like the UAE they are still the preferred device (mainly the rich and corporate types love them). There is a LOT more than just NA that has phones.