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  • Potential Hack-Proof PS3 Rumor Sparks Interesting Jailbreak, Piracy Debate


    Earlier today our friends at Crunch Gear ran with a story that, while based on a rumor, has sparked an interesting debate about the future of technology as it pertains to the intensifying crackdowns on hacking, jailbreaking, and the larger underlying issue of piracy. According to the report in question, Sony is said to be actively entertaining plans to introduce a so-called "hack-proof" PS3.

    Could it be done? Probably. Will it? No clue. But it certainly would appear that hack-proof technology is poised to become a paramount aim of major mobile and gaming tech firms - like Apple. At a time when Sony is spending good money to bring down the man we know as Geohot through the legal system, it's safe to say that companies mean business - more so now than ever - when it comes to curbing piracy and software hacking/modding.

    Exactly how Sony would make this new PS3 “hack-proof” is anyone’s guess. The fact is there’s no such thing on this planet as “hack-proof,” but that’s not to say Sony couldn’t implement new security measures that would take a long time to circumvent. Let’s not forget that it took nearly four years for the PS3 to be cracked. At the same time, any new “hack-proof” PS3 would naturally attract plenty of attention, so who knows how long it would remain “hack-proof”?
    Between the growing anti-piracy lobby attempting to sway the support of lawmakers around the world, to newer and harder to crack software and corresponding technologies, it's evident that life will not be made easy for hackers in the future, even those who don't engage in rampant piracy. While the extent to which companies may ultimately go this year to curb hacking is anyone's guess, the efforts by Sony - no matter the outcome - are clearly poised to set the stage for much bigger anti-hacking battles down the road.

    Source: Crunch Gear
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Potential Hack-Proof PS3 Rumor Sparks Interesting Jailbreak, Piracy Debate started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 54 Comments
    1. iCeDmAn's Avatar
      iCeDmAn -
      I find that hard to believe, people like geohot will ALWAYS find a way. Sure maybe it will take a while but I'm sure it will be hacked in time.
    1. Rob2G's Avatar
      Rob2G -
      Sony = New Hitler.
    1. CX3NT3_713's Avatar
      CX3NT3_713 -
      Haha cool pix
    1. rayzeur22's Avatar
      rayzeur22 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Michael Essany View Post


      the efforts by Sony - no matter the outcome - are clearly poised to set the stage for much bigger ant-hacking battles down the road.

      Source: Crunch Gear
      ant-hacking? Wouldn't that hurt the ants?
    1. Stewie Griffin's Avatar
      Stewie Griffin -
      Silly sony, haven't they learned from apple, calling something "hack-proof" is just a calling to all hackers.

      But i'm sure taking geohot to court will slow some of them down.
    1. tjb5099's Avatar
      tjb5099 -
      good luck to us jailbreakers...

      ~Tim
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      i can understand the attempt but nothing is hack proof if anything by saying it will be hack-proof will only spur people like geohot to actually hack it as soon as possible
    1. mmaboi21's Avatar
      mmaboi21 -
      Hah nice try there's always a way..
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      it is very misleading to say it took over four years to hack the ps3. When OtherOS was supported 99% of hackers had no desire to hack it as they could already do most of the stuff they wanted to. look at how quickly the system came crashing down as soon as they removed OtherOS.
    1. JacquesChirac's Avatar
      JacquesChirac -
      There's no such thing as "hack-proof". Even the top-secret files of the NSA aren't "hack-proof". Anything can be hacked and any hack can be overridden. That's just a fact and basic trait of programming.

      You can make stuff really tough or really easy to hack, however.
    1. stfudvs's Avatar
      stfudvs -
      lmfao hack proof ps3?

      sure, to activate hack proof protection do NOT remove from original packaging


      srsly, its only as good as the people who write the code

      and eventually somone will exploit it

      man is falible

      so is everything created at the hand of man

      what a stupid statement


      i will never buy sony again
      surley im not alone


      idiots
    1. nicrfe's Avatar
      nicrfe -
      It can not be done.

      Sony will waste so much time and money on this and have less to spend making the ps a better system.

      No one I know will code for them.

      Many people, like me, are eager to try an hack the next playstation. Bring it on.
    1. gotanmp3's Avatar
      gotanmp3 -
      Oh, here we go again with the "everything eventually gets hacked" comments.

      You only need to look at the cell phone unlocking software scene to realize that dongles are still the rule of the day to prevent piracy. Sure, there's always cracked older versions floating around - but the latest stuff is pretty well protected.

      Then there's DirecTV. Hacked quite a bit in the past, but through suing "test card" vendors out of existence and constantly fighting tooth and nail against hackers, you really don't hear much about pirated DirecTV anymore.

      Then we have the Xbox 360, which while there were some hacks found - Microsoft has been quick to patch them and overall the 360 is rather secure for a Microsoft product.

      Hacking is a one-way street that always eventually leads to progressively improved security measures in the products being hacked. Eventually you reach a point where hacking the product requires so much time and effort that few people will bother attempting it. And as Sony has shown, if you sue those few people, you'll have a pretty good deterrent against future hackers.

      What's the ultimate hack to show Sony how you feel about the PS3? Don't buy one. There's nothing they can do to stop that.
    1. GellBrake'rrrr's Avatar
      GellBrake'rrrr -
      If /I/ were a hacker.... And this came about, bet your ***** that I'd be one of the first in line to buy it and get to work trying to prove them wrong.
    1. bry2k2's Avatar
      bry2k2 -
      There is no such thing as hack proof.
    1. djrbx's Avatar
      djrbx -
      Quote Originally Posted by gotanmp3 View Post
      Oh, here we go again with the "everything eventually gets hacked" comments.

      You only need to look at the cell phone unlocking software scene to realize that dongles are still the rule of the day to prevent piracy. Sure, there's always cracked older versions floating around - but the latest stuff is pretty well protected.

      Then there's DirecTV. Hacked quite a bit in the past, but through suing "test card" vendors out of existence and constantly fighting tooth and nail against hackers, you really don't hear much about pirated DirecTV anymore.

      Then we have the Xbox 360, which while there were some hacks found - Microsoft has been quick to patch them and overall the 360 is rather secure for a Microsoft product.

      Hacking is a one-way street that always eventually leads to progressively improved security measures in the products being hacked. Eventually you reach a point where hacking the product requires so much time and effort that few people will bother attempting it. And as Sony has shown, if you sue those few people, you'll have a pretty good deterrent against future hackers.
      I'm sorry but this is incorrect. No matter what any company does as far as "hack proofing" any product and as long as a consumer has physical access to the machine, it will be hackable. This is one of the first things you learn in computer security.

      Most smart phones are hackable. From Windows 7 phones, Google Phones, Blackberries, and even Symbian phones. If there is root access and you can install an application, it is hackable.

      I can't speak much for DirectTV as I have never used them as a company, but the Xbox360 has been hacked and rehacked many times over. Yes, Microsoft issues a band wave throughout the year, but that does not stop the community from modding the device. Currently, every Xbox360 on the market to this day is moddable. Both the Wii and the PS3 are all under the same category. Point is, if people want to mod and play backed up/"Pirated" games, they will find a way.

      Sony suing GeoHotz will not stop the community from modding. Just as 1 torrent site goes down, 10 more pop up. As 1 warez forum goes down, 1000 more pop up. If Sony is successful in shutting down GeoHotz, you can be sure that there will be 100 more "hackerz" to take his place.

      The only way for companies like Apple, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and every other vendor on the planet to stop piracy is to.. wait, there is nothing they can do. Can they make it harder? Yes. but in the grand scheme of things, it's a downhill battle that leads to nowhere. Like I said, as long as a physical product is tied, modders will always release a software hack will or the true and tested modchip to circumvent DRM.

      PS. If companies really want to stop piracy, they need to keep up with support and stop selling crappy products. I have pirated MyWi for a full good year before actually purchasing the application from the cydia store. All it took was for them to keep updating the product with improvements. I even bought the addon to pair with my iPad even though I know I will probably never use it. One thing I hate about developers are those who release a product, and update the program once or twice, then no updates ever because support was dropped and instead moved onto a new IP.
    1. louietsang's Avatar
      louietsang -
      if it can't be done w/ software code, some chinese guy in hk/taiwan will find a way via hardware(mod chips)... video game systems have always been hacked/modded/pirated on.

      sony has a better chance at having a serial number per game to prevent pirates...
    1. iLoveWindows&iPhone's Avatar
      iLoveWindows&iPhone -
      Quote Originally Posted by nicrfe View Post

      Sony will waste so much time and money on this and have less to spend making the ps a better system.
      I agree with u, and i too hate Sony as a result of all of this crap they are bringing to the jailbreaking/hacking community, and their actions in general.

      But I have to disagree about Sony wasting money. Sony HAS SOOOO much money. Sony waging this war against freedom of speech is not going to at all cut the amount of money being spent on the development of the next playstation. The money they spend on this battle will be like a penny to them!

      It's up to us to actually make them really pay for their actions! What will really hurt their pockets is a complete pop culture movement, or political movement against them....unfortunately, its hard to imagine that happening....but I hope it does!!
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Oh Sony, can't you see what you're becoming...
    1. chaoscreater's Avatar
      chaoscreater -
      Quote Originally Posted by gotanmp3 View Post
      Oh, here we go again with the "everything eventually gets hacked" comments.

      You only need to look at the cell phone unlocking software scene to realize that dongles are still the rule of the day to prevent piracy. Sure, there's always cracked older versions floating around - but the latest stuff is pretty well protected.

      Then there's DirecTV. Hacked quite a bit in the past, but through suing "test card" vendors out of existence and constantly fighting tooth and nail against hackers, you really don't hear much about pirated DirecTV anymore.

      Then we have the Xbox 360, which while there were some hacks found - Microsoft has been quick to patch them and overall the 360 is rather secure for a Microsoft product.

      Hacking is a one-way street that always eventually leads to progressively improved security measures in the products being hacked. Eventually you reach a point where hacking the product requires so much time and effort that few people will bother attempting it. And as Sony has shown, if you sue those few people, you'll have a pretty good deterrent against future hackers.

      What's the ultimate hack to show Sony how you feel about the PS3? Don't buy one. There's nothing they can do to stop that.

      So? As long as it's hacked once already, piracy will start to leak in and out like crazy. Hence the reason why Sony made such a big deal about this current lawsuit against Geohot. It doesn't matter if the exploits/jailbreaks/hacks get patched, it's already out in the open and that's all u need for piracy to start. I can easily find XBOX360 pirated games anywhere with the simple help of Google. I can get games that aren't even out for retail for at least 1 week.

      Also, it's the same as jailbreaking an iDevice, have u seen the amount of pirated apps or games, as well as the repos that host them?