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  • Sony Dishes Out 'Lifetime Ban' to Known Hackers


    This week, electronics giant Sony began dishing out lifetime bans to known PlayStation 3 hackers. The "ban" in question effectively bars any and all identified PS3 hackers from using Sony's online services for the rest of their lives. Pretty harsh, indeed. But over the course of the last 72 hours, countless PS3 hackers identified by Sony have begun receiving e-mail notices from Sony, a communication promptly followed by a full and irrevocable PlayStation 3 console ban. In order to avoid the dreaded Sony blacklist, hackers are required to "immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PlayStation 3 systems."

    The writing, however, has been on the wall for some time. According to the official word on the PlayStation blog: "Violation of the system software license agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system. In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of international copyright laws. Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently."

    Naturally, many are wondering if Sony's crackdown on hackers foreshadows how Apple will deal with iOS jailbreakers in the future, particularly with regard to the forthcoming 5th generation iPhone. Although there is no concrete evidence to confirm such theories, many believe Apple's hardcore crackdown on jailbreaking and unlocking will begin in earnest this year, effectively following the lead of Sony and others who refuse to play nicely with members of our community.

    According to coverage provided this week by CNET, "a majority of commenters" to Sony's blog heralding the lifetime hacker ban "seem pleased" by Sony's decisive action. "Thanks for acknowledging this officially. Good to know Sony is not just hoping that this goes away," one poster wrote, adding "Thank You Sony! Ban these punks!" On the other hand, there were adamant defenders of the prohibited behavior. "If Sony actually took the time to know what us (the consumers) wanted, maybe they would see less piracy," a hacker-friendly poster wrote. "I mean the whole reason hackers want to hack the PSP Go is to play games that are still only available in UMD only."

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Sony Dishes Out 'Lifetime Ban' to Known Hackers started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 143 Comments
    1. ecd5000's Avatar
      ecd5000 -
      sony is getting out of control with this. they need to realize that the cat is outta the bag and embrace it. next they'll start banning people for not buying the ps3 at an authorized dealer.
    1. kyvos's Avatar
      kyvos -
      They're doing this because of all the money they're losing. In most cases where someone jailbreaks their PS3, their reason is for playing pirated copies of ps3 games everyone else pays for. Some people do only hack their PS3s just to back up original copies of the game that they've purchased just incase they lose or damage the disc. But c'mon. Let's be realistic. That's probably only 5% of the people that do hack their PS3s. With todays technology advancements. It's getting easier and easier to get stuff pirated and without getting caught; hurting the pocket of the developers who've worked so hard to please us. Same reasoning applies to all aspects of media, like music and movies. This is probably the best they can do to stop pirating but someone'll eventually get around it.
    1. lightmaster's Avatar
      lightmaster -
      Now that Sony is becoming such a control freak company and banning hackers, I'm no longer buying any of their products. If Apple were to ban one single jailbreaker from using their hacked iPhone, I'd get rid of my iPhone and iTouch and buy a Droid in a heartbeat.
    1. red_zone's Avatar
      red_zone -
      Quote Originally Posted by lightmaster View Post
      Now that Sony is becoming such a control freak company and banning hackers, I'm no longer buying any of their products. If Apple were to ban one single jailbreaker from using their hacked iPhone, I'd get rid of my iPhone and iTouch and buy a Droid in a heartbeat.
      Same Here.
    1. lightmaster's Avatar
      lightmaster -
      I don't understand why Sony is being so hard on hackers. As long as you don't pirate anything, and I don't think most hackers do, how does it affect Sony at all?
    1. red_zone's Avatar
      red_zone -
      Quote Originally Posted by lightmaster View Post
      I don't understand why Sony is being so hard on hackers. As long as you don't pirate anything, and I don't think most hackers do, how does it affect Sony at all?
      My point exactly. Sony is being a narrow-minded control freak
    1. Casanova232's Avatar
      Casanova232 -
      Well past is past.... Think about the future... So What Sony banned people from PSN... At least u can go online so there may be a way of getting around sony's ban and just get people to create fake PSN servers this way they can't do **** cause they have done what they could do with their power which was to ban people ... Cause I'm sure they can't say anything about having a fake PSN server cause we ain't using there's .. also they don't have the rights to say how we should and should not use our banned ps3.. I guess people should post ideas how to over come or tackle this banning staff instead of moaning and groaning because as much as you moan or groan they ain't going to un-ban people ..... Just think about the positive effect it has had ... They won't have the control they thought they had by banning for life..,. Btw it should be possible to have a fake PSN application because if you can install home brew then you should be able to add custom application on ps3
    1. thevmax's Avatar
      thevmax -
      Quote Originally Posted by zturn13 View Post
      If you use a HDD that is not approved but microsoft they can ban you if you hack in any way they can ban you at least sony lets me by a normal laptop hard drive and put it in and not charge thro the nose for a "special" hdd but this lifetime ban is stupid i thought jail breaking was legal now or is that just idevices??
      It isn't the same thing. On the surface it appears to be the same.

      You can't jailbreak your iphone and then hack into ATT to make phone calls. You need to be a customer with an account in order to make phone calls and use their network. You should be able to change themes or add apps that make your iphone more functional for you. But if you are using the iphone as a phone, you need to be established as a customer.

      Once you have installed ultrasn0w, you could switch to T-mobile or have dual accounts, (one with ATT and one with T-mobile). But, here again, if you set up an account with ATT in order to get the sale price on the iphone, you are contractually obligated for 2 years to them for your account.
    1. skolpo's Avatar
      skolpo -
      Quote Originally Posted by lightmaster View Post
      I don't understand why Sony is being so hard on hackers. As long as you don't pirate anything, and I don't think most hackers do, how does it affect Sony at all?
      The main reason most people want to hack anything is to either modify or pirate something... What makes you think that most console hackers do not pirate? There's a reason why piracy has become such a huge problem the past ten years. From music to video games to apps, piracy will always be a main problem for any company that is dependent on digital sales.

      As for the ban Sony is initiating, too many of you are being overly irrational. Sony is banning you from THEIR network, which is offered for FREE. Gamers get banned all the time from servers, networks, mmorpgs, and even from Steam. Do the majority of gamers complain? No, because banning gamers that hack or modify gameplay completely ruins the game. Simply put, companies are allowed to ban you from their services if they wanted to for any reason, especially if you're violating the ToS. Hackers still own their PS3s, they just cannot use Sony's network. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
    1. Casanova232's Avatar
      Casanova232 -
      Quote Originally Posted by skolpo View Post
      The main reason most people want to hack anything is to either modify or pirate something... What makes you think that most console hackers do not pirate? There's a reason why piracy has become such a huge problem the past ten years. From music to video games to apps, piracy will always be a main problem for any company that is dependent on digital sales.

      As for the ban Sony is initiating, too many of you are being overly irrational. Sony is banning you from THEIR network, which is offered for FREE. Gamers get banned all the time from servers, networks, mmorpgs, and even from Steam. Do the majority of gamers complain? No, because banning gamers that hack or modify gameplay completely ruins the game. Simply put, companies are allowed to ban you from their services if they wanted to for any reason, especially if you're violating the ToS. Hackers still own their PS3s, they just cannot use Sony's network. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
      Exactly Wat I mean just think about the advantages you can take cause u still own your banned ps3... As I mentioned before about the fake PSN why not create something like Tunggle so it's possible to play online even if you have pirated games there's no one to judge you.
    1. Paingod's Avatar
      Paingod -
      An then people say Apple wants to control everything. In consumer point of vue i guess this time SONY is the bad guy. Imagine if everyone jailbreaking an idevice would get a lifetime ban.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      Sony (nor any gaming system manufacturer) doesn't make money on the hardware. In actuality, they take a loss. Where they make it up is software sales. THAT is why piracy is such a touchy subject to them.
      Lol I know, I never said they made money, just that its supporting them by buying their product. My point was that you already have a good working console and it would suck to have to get a new one (spend money) just cause they ban you
    1. red_zone's Avatar
      red_zone -
      Quote Originally Posted by skolpo View Post
      The main reason most people want to hack anything is to either modify or pirate something... What makes you think that most console hackers do not pirate? There's a reason why piracy has become such a huge problem the past ten years. From music to video games to apps, piracy will always be a main problem for any company that is dependent on digital sales.

      As for the ban Sony is initiating, too many of you are being overly irrational. Sony is banning you from THEIR network, which is offered for FREE. Gamers get banned all the time from servers, networks, mmorpgs, and even from Steam. Do the majority of gamers complain? No, because banning gamers that hack or modify gameplay completely ruins the game. Simply put, companies are allowed to ban you from their services if they wanted to for any reason, especially if you're violating the ToS. Hackers still own their PS3s, they just cannot use Sony's network. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
      Not all hackers of the PS3 want to pirate stuff!! What is is with everyone thinking that?!

      I would say that 80% of people that hack the PS3 do it for piracy, but that other 20% dosent want anything with piracy. The only reason that I want to hack my PS3 is to run homebrew apps and such
    1. ajl917's Avatar
      ajl917 -
      Quote Originally Posted by red_zone View Post
      Not all hackers of the PS3 want to pirate stuff!! What is is with everyone thinking that?!

      I would say that 80% of people that hack the PS3 do it for piracy, but that other 20% dosent want anything with piracy. The only reason that I want to hack my PS3 is to run homebrew apps and such
      But right there is the problem. A lot of revenue is made from game sales, so imagine if sales were cut by 80% because of pirates? Big problem. Even with the iPhone, many people jailbreak to pirate apps. If you see you can buy something for $60 or get it for free, most will jump at free. I commend GeoHot for building the jailbreak without the ability to pirate; THAT is good. But I think we can all understand why Sony is going after jailbreakers because it will inevitably lead to the pirating of a big piece of their profits...
    1. Cucumbijuana's Avatar
      Cucumbijuana -
      I think I can understand pirating, but I don't think Sony should crack down on everyone's freedom. If game developers don't like piracy, then they should start protecting their own games like the NDS series of Kingdom Hearts. Jailbreaking anything is mainly so they take the product and give it things that are great ideas for an update, but the main developers aren't making it. They're not ruining it, they're simply making it better. I think for the different tweaks, themes, and apps that we're making should be an inspiration to the main developers to make their own tweaks similar and more native to their software. When it comes to the PS3, being able to install another OS was amazing. It really made the slogan "It only does everything" come true because with another OS you could do anything, but then they deleted OtherOS. If you didn't like that then you couldn't sign in to their network, and what can you do without PSN? Play disc based games and only use local multiplayer, no Netflix, no Hulu, no chatting with friends or even seeing if they're online, and a lot more you can't do. Imagine back then when it was $600 and you soft-mod it a bit and then this happens. You'd get banned and the only things you could do was to play disc based games, play blu-rays, play DVDs, and that's it. There must be a better solution for this issue, like I said before, if the problem is piracy then game developers should protect their own games.
    1. skolpo's Avatar
      skolpo -
      Quote Originally Posted by red_zone View Post
      Not all hackers of the PS3 want to pirate stuff!! What is is with everyone thinking that?!

      I would say that 80% of people that hack the PS3 do it for piracy, but that other 20% dosent want anything with piracy. The only reason that I want to hack my PS3 is to run homebrew apps and such
      I said most hackers. You don't consider 80% as most?


      Quote Originally Posted by Cucumbijuana View Post
      I think I can understand pirating, but I don't think Sony should crack down on everyone's freedom. If game developers don't like piracy, then they should start protecting their own games like the NDS series of Kingdom Hearts. Jailbreaking anything is mainly so they take the product and give it things that are great ideas for an update, but the main developers aren't making it. They're not ruining it, they're simply making it better. I think for the different tweaks, themes, and apps that we're making should be an inspiration to the main developers to make their own tweaks similar and more native to their software. When it comes to the PS3, being able to install another OS was amazing. It really made the slogan "It only does everything" come true because with another OS you could do anything, but then they deleted OtherOS. If you didn't like that then you couldn't sign in to their network, and what can you do without PSN? Play disc based games and only use local multiplayer, no Netflix, no Hulu, no chatting with friends or even seeing if they're online, and a lot more you can't do. Imagine back then when it was $600 and you soft-mod it a bit and then this happens. You'd get banned and the only things you could do was to play disc based games, play blu-rays, play DVDs, and that's it. There must be a better solution for this issue, like I said before, if the problem is piracy then game developers should protect their own games.
      Protecting from piracy shouldn't be solely left to the developers. PS3 needs developers to generate more titles for their console, especially exclusive titles. If they mandated that developers have to protect their own games from piracy, that can shoo them away from developing games for the PS3. Not to mention, there are many workarounds for any type of soft "protection."

      And like stated, modify or hacking your PS3 is risk-taking. Sony has all the right to ban hackers from their network. Hackers create many more problems than just being able to utilize a different OS or have modified UIs and apps. Once they take the hacking into the network, it can easily destroy the community within it. From piracy to score hacking to item modifying, the essential problem isn't being to use another OS. There is much more to it. And don't forget that their network is free. Even if there was some sort of premium to pay, banning is not out of the question. It still happens all the time in different paid networks or games. I don't see why the same shouldn't be allowed to be applied by Sony.
    1. Truckerbear's Avatar
      Truckerbear -
      Well to get around this just means more sales for them. Buy two of every device. One that will get banned and one that will not. Two of everything.

      This won't stop the diehard jailbreakers. Hacking to me means doing illegal things with the device, jailbreaking mean doing things that aren't illegal but make the device better without hurting anyones bottom line.
    1. WmSDubStep's Avatar
      WmSDubStep -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sticky111 View Post
      ummm no! the reason they are doing this is not for some hacker to diddle with firmware and install software, apps and such. This has to deal with games like SOCOM confrontation and Call Of Duty and many other titles that are being ruined by wannabe hackers and modders using their created material to put a bad name on them. people are using good for bad and now those particular two titles are no longer fun to play because people are running around with unlimited ammo, health and weapons that dont even exist. this ban sony is issuing is going straight to these a-holes and i couldnt be happier. visit SOCOM DOT COM and see how many people are happy for what sony is doing because they regained hope in a 'cheater free' online environment



      everyone is getting confused as to what they are actually doing, visit a gaming forum on sony dot com and really read as to what this is all about. this has nothing to do with geo hot and stuff like that. it has to deal with modded files and people cheating horrendously on video games like socom and call of duty
      Still ***.
      Then why don't they just disalloemw lobbies online but let them in private matches. Just face it, MW2 is turning ****, how else are we going to have fun?
    1. xxbahxhahxx's Avatar
      xxbahxhahxx -
      but you can get unbanned.
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      Quote Originally Posted by Truckerbear View Post
      Well to get around this just means more sales for them. Buy two of every device. One that will get banned and one that will not. Two of everything.

      This won't stop the diehard jailbreakers. Hacking to me means doing illegal things with the device, jailbreaking mean doing things that aren't illegal but make the device better without hurting anyones bottom line.
      I put it to you that 80 percent of people who consider themselves to be hackers, are nothing of the sort. If you had to read instructions to jailbreak your stuff - You are absolutely NOT a hacker. You are a piggybacker. Geohot - Hacker. Saurik - Hacker. Chronic Dev - Hackers. We are end users, using dumbed down tools that the real hackers have provided to us so we dont break our sh!t trying to copy them.

      Hackers (for the most part) are an honorable bunch. But in the hands of the end users, freeloaders and the like, these tools are making the scene die a very slow, very public, death. Jailbreaking does indeed do alot of great things to add features that we would not have had before. Hell, without jailbreaking the iphone would lose to the PRE as far as functionality is concerned (Long live WEBOS!) But because the piracy is part of the territory of jailbreaking, It just cant work. Maybe in a perfect world where people actually cared about mainting a profitable ecosystem for all parties involved, jailbreaking would be a good thing. But in our world, the noble intentions of the few are COMPLETELY drowned out by the crowd of dirtbags stealing and cheating their way through the door.