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  • Sony Dishes Out 'Lifetime Ban' to Known Hackers


    This week, electronics giant Sony began dishing out lifetime bans to known PlayStation 3 hackers. The "ban" in question effectively bars any and all identified PS3 hackers from using Sony's online services for the rest of their lives. Pretty harsh, indeed. But over the course of the last 72 hours, countless PS3 hackers identified by Sony have begun receiving e-mail notices from Sony, a communication promptly followed by a full and irrevocable PlayStation 3 console ban. In order to avoid the dreaded Sony blacklist, hackers are required to "immediately cease use and remove all circumvention devices and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PlayStation 3 systems."

    The writing, however, has been on the wall for some time. According to the official word on the PlayStation blog: "Violation of the system software license agreement for the PlayStation 3 System invalidates the consumer guarantee for that system. In addition, copying or playing pirated software is a violation of international copyright laws. Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently."

    Naturally, many are wondering if Sony's crackdown on hackers foreshadows how Apple will deal with iOS jailbreakers in the future, particularly with regard to the forthcoming 5th generation iPhone. Although there is no concrete evidence to confirm such theories, many believe Apple's hardcore crackdown on jailbreaking and unlocking will begin in earnest this year, effectively following the lead of Sony and others who refuse to play nicely with members of our community.

    According to coverage provided this week by CNET, "a majority of commenters" to Sony's blog heralding the lifetime hacker ban "seem pleased" by Sony's decisive action. "Thanks for acknowledging this officially. Good to know Sony is not just hoping that this goes away," one poster wrote, adding "Thank You Sony! Ban these punks!" On the other hand, there were adamant defenders of the prohibited behavior. "If Sony actually took the time to know what us (the consumers) wanted, maybe they would see less piracy," a hacker-friendly poster wrote. "I mean the whole reason hackers want to hack the PSP Go is to play games that are still only available in UMD only."

    Source: CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Sony Dishes Out 'Lifetime Ban' to Known Hackers started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 143 Comments
    1. SteveJobsEvilTwinBro's Avatar
      SteveJobsEvilTwinBro -
      People are so full of it.. If you switched places with Sony -- you would be doing the same exact thing.. That is, if you want to keep your job lmao.. "Here, hack our system, do the opposite of what we tell you so we can lose money, go for it!", truth is -- George Hotz is an attention whore and that's what brought him down. He made himself a target by seeking out the spotlight, made such a spectacle that now everyone is getting banned. Say what you will but you know I'm right. There was a time when hackers were incognito about things..
    1. zturn13's Avatar
      zturn13 -
      Quote Originally Posted by cpkirkley View Post
      Modded xboxs get banned too, I don't understand how one is better than the other in this standpoint.

      People, if you agreed to the terms of use, then you violated them when you hacked your console. You don't exactly deserve to have you console permabanned, but technically youre breaking the rules. You knew the risks - deal with the consequences. If you want to change the way it works, then design your own console and let any tom **** and harry hacker come along and exploit vulnerabilities that 99.8 percent of the public could care less about. Sure, hacking is not just about piracy, but stop fooling yourselves - anyone who cant actually hack is just looking for free sh!t. If its not true than explain why there currently 2400 seeders for Black Ops...

      It irritates me the people who hold such powerful minds are so shortsighted in their ambitions that they ruin what should be fun for the rest of us. If you're so 1337 with your ***xors (what f*cking ever), then stop wasting your time on screwing up the sanctity video game consoles and start chewing on something that would help more than than your web penis.

      They should be saving our space program, not allowing 13 year olds to headshot me through walls with a damned G18.
      so i guess you download pirated games if you know how many seeders there are and i do not jailbreak to pirate stuff or cheat online i do it to do cool things with it like for my iphone 4 use voice control or sbsetting stuff like that and im not a hacker i just like moding my system not cheating in games
    1. JayQuint87's Avatar
      JayQuint87 -
      Lifetime ban on the PS3...in another couple of years I am guessing that there will be another Sony console out. Making this ban kinda null/void once the new console's, Terms of Service, come out.
    1. andyharp's Avatar
      andyharp -
      Can we just set up our own server and not use sony's online service? Our PS3's host anyway right?
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by creasy425 View Post
      True. But I'd be pissed if i lost all of my gamer points, achievements and so.
      I know I would be pissed if I lost my level 12; 1060 trophies. Plus I have a year paid of PSN+ and several games and DLC.
    1. Comedy's Avatar
      Comedy -
      I can't be the only ones that sees this?

      People are in uproar about the fact they buy a console and want to do whatever eith it ad they own it. This is fair, we now all have that option with our ps3's.

      Sony say that if you do mod your ps3 you are a liability in online play, i completely agree. Your account gets banned if you use it on a modded ps3. Seeing as there's no way to prove whether your scores are legit any more I think this is also fair.

      If you want to mod your ps3 to do whatever then that's your choice but psn is provided by Sony for free and is meant to be a level playing field where people compete against each other. If someone isn't (or has the ability to not) play by the rules then they should stick to offline.

      I have a ps3, it's not nodded because i don't see the benefit right now, if there were some driving reason for me to do it then I would likely buy an old one to mod or not do it at all still.
    1. cpkirkley's Avatar
      cpkirkley -
      Quote Originally Posted by zturn13 View Post
      so i guess you download pirated games if you know how many seeders there are and i do not jailbreak to pirate stuff or cheat online i do it to do cool things with it like for my iphone 4 use voice control or sbsetting stuff like that and im not a hacker i just like moding my system not cheating in games
      I stopped pirating games after I graduated college and realized that that I was extremely misguided for doing so. All my games are purchased through Steam, and my music through Zune pass, thank you.

      The only bitorrenting I do now are Sid the science kid and Super why episodes for my children. And maybe the occasional itch I have to play ICO via PCSX2. Once the remastered Ico/SOTC combo hits store shelves, I wont even need to do that anymore.

      The only thing I would even CONSIDER jailbreaking a PS3 for is to install an XBMC port. But I built an HTPC which is faster, more stable, and and allows me to run Adobe Premiere CS5 on a 46 inch screen. Jailbreaking a PS3 is a novelty AT BEST when compared to using a computer for the same tasks.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      You're right, but then you just spend more money buying a new one, (supporting Sony) when you had a perfectly good console in the first place. It just sucks either way!
      Sony (nor any gaming system manufacturer) doesn't make money on the hardware. In actuality, they take a loss. Where they make it up is software sales. THAT is why piracy is such a touchy subject to them.
    1. javiert30's Avatar
      javiert30 -
      Looks like GeoHot has his hard drive full of contacts.
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      Sony (nor any gaming system manufacturer) doesn't make money on the hardware. In actuality, they take a loss. Where they make it up is software sales. THAT is why piracy is such a touchy subject to them.
      Nintendo has never sold hardware at a loss.
      Just also wanna point out that game devs get about $18 out of a $60 retail game. They sell games to retailers for about $44 and then when you take out manufacturing, warehouse, printing, distribution, they are left with $18 for each game sold.

      Actually, does piracy not hurt retailers more? For example Sony will sell 1million copies to Gamestops and Co.(well they order how many copies they want) and be paid $44 for each copy. So Sony has gotten their money. So then if someone downloads the game illegally then it makes no difference to Sony, they've been paid.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by cpkirkley View Post
      I stopped pirating games after I graduated college and realized that that I was extremely misguided for doing so. All my games are purchased through Steam, and my music through Zune pass, thank you.

      The only bitorrenting I do now are Sid the science kid and Super why episodes for my children. And maybe the occasional itch I have to play ICO via PCSX2. Once the remastered Ico/SOTC combo hits store shelves, I wont even need to do that anymore.

      The only thing I would even CONSIDER jailbreaking a PS3 for is to install an XBMC port. But I built an HTPC which is faster, more stable, and and allows me to run Adobe Premiere CS5 on a 46 inch screen. Jailbreaking a PS3 is a novelty AT BEST when compared to using a computer for the same tasks.
      Completely off topic i know, i just had to say that my twins can't get enough of sid the science kid and super why. they can spell better than most 4 yr olds ive seen because of super why and word world.

      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      Nintendo has never sold hardware at a loss.
      Just also wanna point out that game devs get about $18 out of a $60 retail game. They sell games to retailers for about $44 and then when you take out manufacturing, warehouse, printing, distribution, they are left with $18 for each game sold
      18 bucks x 2-3 million copies (if its a hit), thats nothing to sneeze at (unless you work for Activision, where you work for free :-) )
    1. Casanova232's Avatar
      Casanova232 -
      I am sure as a wise man said if one man can make it another can break it
      If hackers do want to get back at Sony then why not create your own PSN example call it PSN(hacked) so when a jailbroken ps3 wants to play online they can just log in to the hacked PSN and not touch the original PSN. because if you think logically if Iphone custom firmware can stop updating the baseband but update the firmware the it should be possible to have a Custom firmware where the Original PSN is not available but only the hacked PSN is, for example on Iphone like having ********** and having APPSTORE running together but the user gets to choose which one they want to use.....
      Btw its just and idea to get back at Sony even if they banned a ps3 you can overcome it
      [Just think outside] the box 
    1. mr117's Avatar
      mr117 -
      Remember that jailbreaking an iPhone is legal. Apple is appealing that, but right now it is legal. If they try to prevent jailbreaking in a way deemed illegal, they are up the proverbial creek. Don't panic yet. Plenty of lawyers have iPhones and iPads.
    1. Casanova232's Avatar
      Casanova232 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Casanova232 View Post
      I am sure as a wise man said “if one man can make it another can break it”
      If hackers do want to get back at Sony then why not create your own PSN example call it PSN(hacked) so when a jailbroken ps3 wants to play online they can just log in to the hacked PSN and not touch the original PSN. because if you think logically if Iphone custom firmware can stop updating the baseband but update the firmware the it should be possible to have a Custom firmware where the Original PSN is not available but only the hacked PSN is, for example on Iphone like having ********** and having APPSTORE running together but the user gets to choose which one they want to use.....
      Btw it’s just and idea to get back at Sony even if they banned a ps3 you can overcome it
      [Just think outside] the box ……
      ********** = install ous
    1. nocurefordumb's Avatar
      nocurefordumb -
      Quote Originally Posted by will822 View Post
      You do realize MS does the same thing right? Idiot fanboys.
      You do realize that MS also gave Geohot and others Win phone 7 phones and told them to 'hack away' also, right? Sony has always sought propriety.
    1. creasy425's Avatar
      creasy425 -
      Quote Originally Posted by nocurefordumb View Post
      You do realize that MS also gave Geohot and others Win phone 7 phones and told them to 'hack away' also, right? Sony has always sought propriety.
      Is this true? If so mega cool points for MS.
    1. red_zone's Avatar
      red_zone -
      So let me get this straight...

      I could RUN OVER my freaking PS3 with a truck and sony wouldn't care (as a matter of a fact, they would laugh and tell me to buy a new one)

      But THE SECOND I hack the PS3, I get banned for life and it apparently becomes some HUGE PROBLEM and Sony gets there panties in a wad, JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO DO SOME STUFF THAT THEA PS3 DOSENT DO? (not talking about piracy either!!!!!)

      My point is this. I PAYED 350 D**M DOLLARS FOR THE THING, AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THE H**L I WANT WITH IT.

      Sony is turning into a control freak, like apple. Anyone else see that?
    1. Sticky111's Avatar
      Sticky111 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
      To everyone talking about cheating online con MW2 or SOCOM. Those hacks are done via savegame exploits. The jailbreak has nothing to do with the cheating. In fact I doubt the ban will touch the cheaters, only people using cfw and homebrew programs unsigned by sony will be banned from the PSN. I'm pretty sure the cheating will still go on.
      many people have been banned and cant play, and the banning still goes on.