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  • Thanks to iPad, Apple is Now #3 in PC Sales


    Thanks to Apple's much-adored tablet, the company has skyrocketed over the past year in computer sales, becoming the #3 computer manufacturer worldwide.

    According to a new report, the tablet helped Apple secure a 19% fourth-quarter growth in sales, and an incredibly impressive 241% year-over-year growth. With just 3.8% of the total computer sales worldwide in Q4 2009, the new results show that Apple sold 10.8% of all PCs, when you include the tablet in the figures. That number just edges out Dell, making Apple the new #3 PC Manufacturer in the world.

    The report comes from the company Canalys, who controversially decided to include all tablets in their market research. Ahead of Apple in the numbers are Acer, which saw an 8.8% percent growth, and HP which shipped 18.7 million units in Q4. Their year-over-year growth did slip to 2.9%, however companies such as Dell and Lenovo still experienced double-digit growth.

    There is sure to be controversy in the company's inclusion of tablets, including the iPad. Issuing a statement on that topic specifically. Canalys' claims that tablets and computers are one and the same.

    "Any argument that a pad is not a PC is simply out of sync… with screen sizes of seven inches or above, ample processing power, and a growing number of applications, pads offer a computing experience comparable to notebooks. They compete for the same customers and will happily coexist."
    With even more tablets expected to be sold in 2011, it seems that this controversy will continue, with the line between mobile device and portable computer being blurred more and more. Regardless, the evidence is clear, if one does consider the tablet a computer, than Apple is poised to garner even more of the market share if their iPad and Macs continue to sell at rapid rates.

    Source:
    Canalys
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Thanks to iPad, Apple is Now #3 in PC Sales started by Matt Savoca View original post
    Comments 59 Comments
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cokeman View Post
      I'll give credit where it's due. Apple has done extremely well with their iOS devices.
      That said the iPad is far from being a pc. Lets see how well this sounds.
      Consumer goes to local bestbuy.

      Customer: I need a pc

      Sales Rep: What will you be doing with the pc?

      Customer: Mostly school work, Email, a few video games, movies, music.

      Sales Rep: Great, You need the new Apple iPad.

      Customer: Show it to me please.

      Sales Rep: Here it is, Amazingly thin & light.

      Customer: WOW that is really nice looking. Where do I connect the mouse & keyboard?

      Sales Rep. You don't, All touch screen.

      Customer: Nice. Where do I hook up my camera to save pics?

      Sales Rep: Well you buy this camera kit for 29.00

      Customer: Well where do I connect my phone to sync it & a printer?

      Sales Rep: Look buddy it's a pc. You think it's going to let you connect a phone, keyboard, mouse, printer, install any software from the internet, download music/movies from any place other than itunes? Get real this 2011. & to use it to it's fullest you will need another pc to sync it.
      This is why Apple does software updates and physical upgrades. The iPad can do printing, the new iPad will have a camera (possibly two), and I'm sure in the future Apple will make the option to sync your phone to your iPad available. Not to mention with bluetooth technology its possible to hook up keyboards and a mouse. So yes, I would say it's a PC.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      LOL what? Why is the iPad (or any tablet) being considered a pc?

      The main difference is primary use. iPad is a device made for consumption. A PC, for production. There really is not argument here. Try and PRODUCE something on iPad as elegantly as you would on a desktop/laptop. It simply isn't going to happen. Next we will consider big screen TVs with web apps built in a PC sale... I mean they are over 7 inches and have the computing power, right?
      I totally agree bro. They cant be lumped together
    1. Aumz's Avatar
      Aumz -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      This is why Apple does software updates and physical upgrades. The iPad can do printing, the new iPad will have a camera (possibly two), and I'm sure in the future Apple will make the option to sync your phone to your iPad available. Not to mention with bluetooth technology its possible to hook up keyboards and a mouse. So yes, I would say it's a PC.
      Future is not now...pads are not a pc in the future maybe but right now no. Can you rip a cd on the iPad can u burn some music onto a disc
    1. awesomeSlayer's Avatar
      awesomeSlayer -
      iPad may have PC-like features, but it doesn't mean it is a PC. That's like calling an iPhone a Mac.
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Don't you need a PC to activate an iPad? That is why it is not a PC, if you cannot simply open the box and use it, and install what you want on it. iDevices by default are closed systems, PC's are open.
    1. jeffhuys's Avatar
      jeffhuys -
      People. PC= Personal COMPUTER. Com-pu-ter. The iPad IS a computer. It computes things.

      And telling that it's all in the os, when I remove all data from my harddisks of my computer, it suddenly is no PC? That's kinda weird, dont'cha think?



      iPad == PC.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      The iPad is not a PC even though it computes.
    1. jeffhuys's Avatar
      jeffhuys -
      Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
      The iPad is not a PC even though it computes.
      personal computer: a small digital computer based on a microprocessor and designed to be used by one person at a time.

      Source: google ("define: pc")
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Quote Originally Posted by jeffhuys View Post
      personal computer: a small digital computer based on a microprocessor and designed to be used by one person at a time.

      Source: google ("define: pc")
      Justify it anyway you like
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Then my Wii, DS, Xbox360, iPhone, iPod nano, and casio calculator are all PC's.
      They all have microprocessors and are designed to be used by one person at a time (although the Wii & Xbox also support multi-users, as do many PCs too) They all have memory, input, and output. Are they all PC's?
      In fact Nintendo sold more Wii's and DS's in the same period than any of these other PC manufacturers, so they should be #1
    1. mofolo's Avatar
      mofolo -
      I also read that because of the iPad, many Hotels around the world are removing 'Adult' Movies from their Videos on Demand.

      iPad is a Paid Porn Killer!
    1. feidhlim1986's Avatar
      feidhlim1986 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jeffhuys View Post
      personal computer: a small digital computer based on a microprocessor and designed to be used by one person at a time.

      Source: google ("define: pc")
      Definition from Wikipedia:
      A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator. PCs include any type of computer that is used in a "personal" manner. This is in contrast to the batch processing or time-sharing models which allowed large expensive mainframe systems to be used by many people, usually at the same time, or large data processing systems which required a full-time staff to operate efficiently. It is also in contrast with the more recent trend of controlling software availability through an intervening third party such as the Apple App Store.[1][2]
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by krosis View Post
      If you want to get into debating the use of the term "PC" (which has historically changed quite a bit) that's one thing. But these devices ARE computers. They are consumer devices that run modern microprocessors, with modern components, and modern (arguably next-generation) operating systems. People can use them in much the same way a "traditional" computer is used. Many people even prefer them to such a computer, as is evidence by their remarkable sales. Which is part of the point of this report. If you start to consider that people are using "post-PC" devices like PCs, then from a market analysis perspective it makes more sense to group them together. How you interpret the term "PC" has little bearing on this.
      And so smartphones should also fit into this definition quite nicely. If you consider the iPad and ther tablets, you must consider smartphones and the like as well.

      Quote Originally Posted by dale2 View Post
      not all PCs are workstations
      what about a system from 1999 with a 600 MHZ Pentium III
      is that not a pc because it lacks processor power?
      When talking about CURRENT technology pc sales, no, it certainly is not. We are comparing current technology here, not something that was sold 12 years ago.

      Quote Originally Posted by feidhlim1986 View Post
      Then my Wii, DS, Xbox360, iPhone, iPod nano, and casio calculator are all PC's.
      They all have microprocessors and are designed to be used by one person at a time (although the Wii & Xbox also support multi-users, as do many PCs too) They all have memory, input, and output. Are they all PC's?
      In fact Nintendo sold more Wii's and DS's in the same period than any of these other PC manufacturers, so they should be #1
      I think this would be a harder sale (in terms of convincing people) than the ipad would. Those consoles will do one thing very well, and that is play games desigend for them. They are also decent media players. But start doing some web browsing or some simple document editing and everything crumbles. Hell, I am not even sure you can edit a simple document on any of our game consoles.
    1. CaptainChaos's Avatar
      CaptainChaos -
      Actually the PS3 runs several flavors of Linux. So yes, you can edit, create, email, print docs.
    1. bry2k2's Avatar
      bry2k2 -
      its a tablet or a pc not both, and unfortunetly it doesn't fit the current standards of a pc, it has no video card, it has keyboard, it has no mouse (internal software creating these functions do not count as it is software), no cd/dvd device to load software, no usb ports. If we are starting to include the ipad as a pc then well all apple computers are pc's and their laughable apple vs pc commercials are no longer viable. these marketing reports are inaccurate and most likely backed specifically by apple to further their dismal sales numbers in a heavily dominated "true" pc market
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Aumz View Post
      Future is not now...pads are not a pc in the future maybe but right now no. Can you rip a cd on the iPad can u burn some music onto a disc
      So that's what defines a PC, being able to rip a CD?...lol! The iPad may be the bare minimum of a PC but it still is one. Taken straight from Wiki: "A personal computer may be a desktop computer, a laptop, a tablet PC, or a handheld PC".

      Everyone is assuming that because it can't do everything a desktop comp that it's not a PC, but by definition it is. That's all I was saying, don't read into my comment too far...
    1. Aumz's Avatar
      Aumz -
      Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
      So that's what defines a PC, being able to rip a CD?...lol! The iPad may be the bare minimum of a PC but it still is one. Taken straight from Wiki: "A personal computer may be a desktop computer, a laptop, a tablet PC, or a handheld PC".

      Everyone is assuming that because it can't do everything a desktop comp that it's not a PC, but by definition it is. That's all I was saying, don't read into my comment too far...
      Yes that is exactly what I am saying if it can nor tip a CD it is not a PC.....

      Forget looking at definitions of PC etc etc....the dictionary can define a PC to be XYZ but what defines a PC is not what is written on a page or website.

      The consumers idea of a PC is not just something that computes it this laptop or desktop that runs a full OS...has a physical keyboard, dvd drive, etc, etc. Consumers idea and perception of this may change on the future but right now it is not.

      My MBP is a PC as is my HP and DELL laptops. I need to buy a new laptop/PC for my wife. She needs to be able to e-mail, surf the web, sync her iPhone, print, create and edit MS Office documents, download PDF and other files, connect up flash drives, connect a dogital camera and transfer files, burn off cd's...now can the iPad do all of these things....and neither can a bloody smartphone or casio calc
    1. discostar's Avatar
      discostar -
      Quote Originally Posted by vantheman169 View Post
      Bring on the iPad 2!!!! I am ready! And to buy it with my credit card cash rewards program for FREE. Even better!!
      They only take FACEBOOK credit now. j/k (^∇^)
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Aumz View Post
      Yes that is exactly what I am saying if it can nor tip a CD it is not a PC.....

      Forget looking at definitions of PC etc etc....the dictionary can define a PC to be XYZ but what defines a PC is not what is written on a page or website.

      The consumers idea of a PC is not just something that computes it this laptop or desktop that runs a full OS...has a physical keyboard, dvd drive, etc, etc. Consumers idea and perception of this may change on the future but right now it is not.

      My MBP is a PC as is my HP and DELL laptops. I need to buy a new laptop/PC for my wife. She needs to be able to e-mail, surf the web, sync her iPhone, print, create and edit MS Office documents, download PDF and other files, connect up flash drives, connect a dogital camera and transfer files, burn off cd's...now can the iPad do all of these things....and neither can a bloody smartphone or casio calc
      Lol! If you didn't understand what I was trying to say in my two earlier posts then I'm not even going to try and explain again. You're obviously looking too deep into this and my comment...
    1. RICO_'s Avatar
      RICO_ -
      I've never seen a PC that had to be activated BY another PC and required you to connect TO a PC to download software updates before.

      In fact I don't think I saw a single reference to the iPad as a "Personal Computer" on Apple's website. But it does say you need a PC to use it though. Doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

      Case and point.....not a true PC.....it just shares aspects of PCs just like many other devices.

      Get over it! It's not a PC.