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  • HP Dangles Flash in Front of Apple, iPad



    The forthcoming battle among competing tablets could very well boil down to one word: Flash.

    After Steve Jobs made it clear that the iPad doesn't need to support Adobe Flash to become the "game-changer," competitors looking to knock Apple off of its tablet perch are now using "Flash" as the buzzword to foreshadow the iPad killer. And Hewlett-Packard is making it clear to everyone that their slate device is superior to the iPad because it supports Flash. As posted on HP's "Voodoo" blog this week:

    Originally Posted by :
    A big bonus for the slate product is that, being based off Windows 7, it offers full Adobe support.
    While some expect April 3rd, the release date of the iPad, to represent the culmination of the tablet computer hype of the last six months, the reality, of course, is that the era of the tablet has just begun. Shortly after the iPad is rolled out, one competitor after the next will take a swipe at Apple with their own tablet.

    As the tablet PC market takes shape, the first - and biggest - battles will clearly be waged over Flash support. It's the haves vs. the have-nots. As the biggest have-not of them all, Apple will be a big target of competitors' ad campaigns. Yet, it doesn't necessarily appear at this time that the general public is so enamored of Flash that the masses will largely shun the iPad in favor of another tablet PC that serves up Flash support. Naturally, however, that's what companies like HP are hoping for to some extent. And its a safe bet that their marketing campaigns will stress this in the coming months.

    Image via HP
    This article was originally published in forum thread: HP Dangles Flash in Front of Apple, iPad started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 82 Comments
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon79 View Post
      Wow... you STILL have yet to specifically answer the question with a single task you can do with OSX that you wouldn't be able to do with an app on the iPad (except flash). Until someone can answer this I will laugh at everyone's incompetence and creativity. I for one can't think of anything I can't do on an iPad that I would WANT to do if I had OSX.
      Well for one, iPad doesn't get full internet because of no plugins. You can't multitask, you can't download stuff from the internet. It's expensive for the entry model which is a pile of s**t. HP Slate is better and I'm not biased towards Windows as I own quite a few Apple products.
      It's another failure along with the Apple TV and it won't sell well except in the USA where all the Apple fanboys are.

      Also it doesn't fit in your pocket so you might as well keep an iPhone or get a cheap MB which will still be sooo much better for only $100 more.

      Well you can ask yourself, what can the iPad do that an iPhone 3GS can't or the upcoming iPhone...
    1. Happy Noodle Boy's Avatar
      Happy Noodle Boy -
      I can bash you over the head with one and it'll hurt a hell of a lot more than an iPhone :P

      That said, all the ipad hate sounds EXACTLY like the iPod hate when it was announced. Focusing on what it doesn't rather than what it does, which while it might not be enough for the power user, it's more than enough for the 95% of the population who just wants something simple and portable.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Quote Originally Posted by badass1469 View Post
      The iPad is just another iPod touch Super sized.
      "Why buy a 50" when you can get a 19" at a fraction of the price, it does the same thing and it is more portable?" Is that your argument?

      A 19" tv does exactly the same thing as a 50" tv but the 50" is a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch a movie on.


    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      "Why buy a 50" when you can get a 19" at a fraction of the price, it does the same thing and it is more portable?" Is that your argument?

      A 19" tv does exactly the same thing as a 50" tv but the 50" is a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch a movie on.


      Your analogy is flawed. From the onset, I can already hook up whatever I want to the TV. The TV and its manufacturer have no control over what I watch.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      No you misunderstood the analogy. I'm not comparing a tv to an apple product, I am comparing the size relationship of two devices.
    1. Rokesomesmeefer's Avatar
      Rokesomesmeefer -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      No you misunderstood the analogy. I'm not comparing a tv to an apple product, I am comparing the size relationship of two devices.
      No, I understood your analogy. It is still flawed. You are simply quoting part of the original poster's reply and using it out of context. The difference between an iPod Touch and an iPad is in no way analogous to a 19" television and a 50" television.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      No you didn't. Him and many others keep saying that the iPad is just a big iPod touch. Basically they are saying that the two are the same thing except for size. I am saying that a 19" television and 50" television are the same thing except for size but people see the advantage of buying a larger television. The larger screen on the iPad makes it more enjoyable to browse the web, watch videos on, and other things.
    1. pyromcr's Avatar
      pyromcr -
      just app flash apple. is it that hard?
    1. matthew1111's Avatar
      matthew1111 -
      I hope it runs smooth, because since it has flash it will kill the iPad...I want apple to feel the pain of no flash!
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      The product pictured in the photo in the post is EXACTLY what a tablet should be. A fully capable desktop computer, but COMPLETELY optimized for touch gestures, i.e. no my-finger-is-a-mouse business.
    1. romeo_herman's Avatar
      romeo_herman -
      Ohhh, HP is good if I can get it free.......
    1. MetallicaFan1991's Avatar
      MetallicaFan1991 -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      The larger screen on the iPad makes it more enjoyable to browse the web, watch videos on, and other things.
      Browse the web and watch videos are two things that iPods, iPhones and iPads can't do well because for the obvious reason no flash player and the many popular video formats they don't support such as divx, avi etc Converting takes time!

      Also your TV analogy is flawed. Bigger is better but why not pay $100 more and get a MB seeing they're both portable, neither fit in your pocket and the MB is a million times better than the high end iPad, as we all know the low end iPad is a rip off for $499.
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      Laptops have weight that some don't want to carry around. The iPad and iPhone are almost instantly on when you press a button; laptops take time to wake up. I sold my macbook got a iMac and am waiting for the iPad as just a living room browser. I use my iPhone now to browse while watching tv in the living room. But having a bigger screen will be much better than scrolling back and forth. Myself could really careless about flash. I have it blocked on my computer and don't bump into any issues on my phone when looking stuff up. There are others that would like it but HTML5 should change things up slightly; that is something we will just have to wait and see.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      "Why buy a 50" when you can get a 19" at a fraction of the price, it does the same thing and it is more portable?" Is that your argument?

      A 19" tv does exactly the same thing as a 50" tv but the 50" is a hell of a lot more enjoyable to watch a movie on.


      Before they created a 50" television, I didn't have anything to watch movies with that displayed the movie so large (well nothing with any quality at least). This analogy is a bit flawed with the ipad because there are already numerous portable devices capable of showing higher resolution videos, with much broader user input for customizing how one watches said videos. Most even have MUCH larger screens for viewing than the ipad.
    1. StealthBravo's Avatar
      StealthBravo -
      Again its just a comparison between iPad and iPod not a macbook or anything else. It's not a analogy that says the iPad is better than the Slate.

      Quote Originally Posted by MetallicaFan1991 View Post
      Browse the web and watch videos are two things that iPods, iPhones and iPads can't do well because for the obvious reason no flash player and the many popular video formats they don't support such as divx, avi etc Converting takes time!

      Also your TV analogy is flawed. Bigger is better but why not pay $100 more and get a MB seeing they're both portable, neither fit in your pocket and the MB is a million times better than the high end iPad, as we all know the low end iPad is a rip off for $499.
      You missed the point but meh. I am not trying to convince you to buy anything.

      As much as you, Rota (banned), and a few others call people fan boys, you guys dedicate entirely too much time knocking Apple and Apple products. Every iPad thread I can count on seeing the same 5 guys saying the same 5 things "iFail", "Fan boy", "iPad sucks", "Apple sucks", and "Just an oversized iPod".

      Now you guys have the Slate, but I am betting that not one of you will buy it either. Some people just don't need a bridge between a phone and a laptop.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by StealthBravo View Post
      Again its just a comparison between iPad and iPod not a macbook or anything else. It's not a analogy that says the iPad is better than the Slate.



      You missed the point but meh. I am not trying to convince you to buy anything.

      As much as you, Rota (banned), and a few others call people fan boys, you guys dedicate entirely too much time knocking Apple and Apple products. Every iPad thread I can count on seeing the same 5 guys saying the same 5 things "iFail", "Fan boy", "iPad sucks", "Apple sucks", and "Just an oversized iPod".

      Now you guys have the Slate, but I am betting that not one of you will buy it either. Some people just don't need a bridge between a phone and a laptop.
      So true! I guess they have nothing better to do then try and bash Apple...on an Apple site. It's not going to change anyone's mind to come on here and say bad things about an Apple product. If you guys like the Slate so much then go find a Slate site and talk about it.

      The iPad is going to sell like crazy regardless of not having flash or running OSX.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Quote Originally Posted by TooSlo View Post
      Therein lies the problem.

      The device itself doesn't have the power to sufficiently run "standard" applications that people use every day on laptops and netbooks.

      If you compare apples:apples and expect the HP slate to come in at the same price as an iPad, the end user experience can be much wider with an OS which can allow you to develop and innovate with applications instead of playing within a defined sandbox.

      This being said, if you compare an apples:apples on price, you will likely see hardware in the HP that is much more capable in comparison to the iPad. This will allow applications to be run in the Win7 environment that literally could never see the light of day on the iPad. An Intel Atom processor with the Broadcom Crystal HD adapter will allow much better graphically intensive applications to run over the iPad.

      While this will provide a wider array of applications on the HP/Win7 device, it will come at a hit to the battery life.

      At this point, the following questions need to be asked.
      • Are you trying to replace an existing device?
      • What type of processing power do you need?
      • How important is battery life?
      • How will this device integrate into your current needs/wants?
      • What type of applications are important to you?

      This is just a short list, and pretty much identifies the device a user could/would prefer.

      The initial question on your part actually does answer itself though. If the device actually had an OSX variant on it, people would use it for more media oriented tasks and be able to enjoy a more open environment to load applications they prefer.

      (Please forgive the lack of links, I'm a bit time constrained but wanted to reply)
      So your first statement describes a paradox.. people want it to run OSX and the second it could it would be deemed underpowered. So with its current hardware limitations OSX would be HORRIBLE at best which is why modified apps to do all the tasks are a much better alternative. I would love to know what "standard" applications people run on their netbooks b/c every time I've loaded up anything on them I want to throw it out the window b/c of it's bogged down speed an pathetic resolution. Next... what programs (specifically) are you talking about that people could run on the HP Slate in the Win7 environment that would not be possible with an app on the iPad? Lastly I will address your final statement... what media oriented tasks would people use the iPad for if it had an OSX varient on it? What applications would people (you?) prefer to load in this more "open" environment that couldn't be done with a moded app?For everyone else who keeps coming back to flash.. really? Your internet life consists solely of watching flash videos? If this really is the single deal breaker for you not buying a product I think Apple succeeded.
    1. aperry's Avatar
      aperry -
      Quote Originally Posted by RockMeOn View Post
      Does not matter who comes in the line of Tablet, despite of not having Flash I believe iPad will still rock the party. And the reason is not new, its same as we have discussed thousand times, its having an ability to use 140,000 Apps from the AppStore. I personally don't like iPad's inability of not having a front camera, multi-tasking and so on... I even think I don't need an iPad but if at any point of time I will change my views on it... I will go for iPad for sure....

      iPad SUCKS everyone knows, but other TABLETS are just a small PC and we don't need it!!
      You have a point there. 140,000 apps for the iPad. The HP Slate can't compete with that. After all, it only runs the most popular OS in the world and has zero limitations on what you can and cannot purchase/install. I'm sure no one wants that.
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      But it is limited, by the hardware. You can't excpect to do any heavy lifting.
    1. aperry's Avatar
      aperry -
      Quote Originally Posted by cerote View Post
      But it is limited, by the hardware. You can't excpect to do any heavy lifting.
      Obviously you're not going to be playing MW2 or hosting high-volume websites with the Slate. But there are still literally millions of applications that you'll be able to run just fine, and I'm not talking about the 397 iFart applications that you find in the App Store.

      Anyway, my point is that I think it's funny to claim that the AppStore is an advantage for the iPad, when Windows offers so much more with zero restrictions.