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  • Apple Unveils 64-Bit iPhone 5S


    Apple has just unveiled the iPhone 5S, touting the device as the first smartphone in the world to present a 64-bit desktop-class chip.

    It's the "most forward-thinking phone we've ever created," Phil Schiller announced, although the design looks largely indistinguishable from the iPhone 5.

    However, the iPhone 5S is a huge leap forward in mobile computing performance.

    "The team has carefully considered every detail. It IS the gold standard," Schiller asserted, confirming that the device contains the the A7 chip, which is a remarkable 64-bit chip. The new processor includes over 1 billion transistors.



    Impressively, the CPU performance available with the iPhone 5S is 40 times faster than the original iPhone.

    While there's still no NFC, there is an M7 motion co-processor that measures motion data, which makes possible an entirely new slate of health and fitness apps (we will see a ton of these in short order, I'm sure).

    The refreshed camera has a 5-element Apple designed lens with f/2.2 aperture. According to Schiller, iOS 7 is designed to capitalize on the new camera, as it automatically sets white balance, exposure level, etc.

    The integrated camera app even serves up "Burst Mode," which can capture up to 10 frames per second. The A7 chip analyzes the burst shots and determines which is best. The upgraded camera also delivers slow-motion video capture capabilities at 120 frames per second (in 720p high-def.).

    Stay with MMi as more details emerge from the iPhone 5S presentation.

    Sources: Apple, CNET
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Unveils 64-Bit iPhone 5S started by Michael Essany View original post
    Comments 43 Comments
    1. towboattrash34's Avatar
      towboattrash34 -
      Hope they got Battery life under control. Bigger, better = Faster battery drain.
    1. jaas75's Avatar
      jaas75 -
      can somebody explain me whats the benefit of 64 bits on the phone, i understand its faster and sensors are more responsive but cant understand why its much better??

      i mean in computer 32 bits cant see more than 4gb of ram and 64bits does, but besides that what are the benefits??


      thxs in advance

      jaas
    1. bigboyz's Avatar
      bigboyz -
      I can't wait to get one! 64 Bit phone with finger scanner oh yeah! As for the naysayers and yawners..what exactly would wow you? All you do is complain without giving any good pointers for Apple to listen to. Explain what you would like to see and maybe it will come to fruition.
    1. linkincyde's Avatar
      linkincyde -
      Whats the difference between 32bit and 64bit?
    1. GnatGoSplat's Avatar
      GnatGoSplat -
      Quote Originally Posted by jaas75 View Post
      can somebody explain me whats the benefit of 64 bits on the phone, i understand its faster and sensors are more responsive but cant understand why its much better??

      i mean in computer 32 bits cant see more than 4gb of ram and 64bits does, but besides that what are the benefits??


      thxs in advance
      You get 64-bit native math and registers. What that means is native 64-bit apps can compute larger numbers, faster, than a 32-bit app. One number I saw, is a native 64-bit app can be anywhere from 2-20% faster depending on the size of its computations.

      For 32-bit apps, there is no performance benefit.

      For some time, 64-bit will just be a bragging right. More bits are always better if you're bragging.
    1. SirZyrion's Avatar
      SirZyrion -
      I definitely plan on getting an iPhone 5s. However, nothing announced today was involved in my decision. I've owned every iPhone but the 5 (waited for today's refresh), and while it's great technology, I'm 100% sure it's over my head, and I'll never need to understand it. *shrug*
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      The iPhone 5S seems like a fantastic phone. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that they killed off the black iPhone. The black looked amazing - now it's slate gray, which is not nearly as nice.
    1. brab's Avatar
      brab -
      The whole 64-bit is more or less the same type of gimmick that MSFT pulled with 64-bit Windows XP, to make people think they are getting something truly special, when in fact at the moment is pointless.

      Quote Originally Posted by zrevai View Post
      Does any phone on the market even have a built in finger print scanner??
      Motorola Atrix has had that since 2011, just FYI.
    1. shortysos7's Avatar
      shortysos7 -
      Quote Originally Posted by asmacumber View Post
      Oh, so a fingerprint scanner and 64-bit processing aren't ground breaking? No other phone has anything like it, and 64-bit architecture is truly special. Saying it's not ground breaking tells me you don't know what that upgrade really means.

      Jesus H. ... I'm really not sure what people expect from their phones. THEIR DAMNED PHONES! It is a phone, people ... a phone that does amazing things that just 5 years ago would have seemed magical and awe inspiring. What more does anyone want? Should it wipe your butt for you? Should it be able to tell you someone is going to call you 5 minutes before they call? What exactly is it we need? A built in space telescope maybe? Or should it double as a taser? What does it take to satisfy internet peoples and fulfill their warped senses of entitlement?

      "Oh, no! It looks like the last one!"

      Well holy crap ... most phones look identical anyway. Some are longer. Some are skinny. Some slide. But overall it's a black (or white) slab with some sort of shiny button or 2 and a screen. Some screens are bigger, some are smaller. But at the end of the day they all look very similar. Maybe they should add some retro, 50's style car fins to it. That would placate the hipsters out there (or a beard comb, maybe. That would surely be a hit with that crowd.) Or, I know, a "snark" button that the internet trolls can hit to make instant, auto-generated sarcastic posts to their favorite sites! I'm sure that one would be a huge hit here ...

      My advice ... put your first-world problems in your pocket for a while and loosen up. And then ask yourself what it is you're really missing in this life that you're trying to replace with one techno whiz-bang or another ...

      Later.
      You and me should becomes best friends, because holy dam you said everything I wanted to say. People are absolutely clueless as to what they want and don't know what an upgrade actually means in an engineering aspect. The upgrades and new technology they've incorporated is beyond anything out there atm yet 95% of people wouldn't even know what 0000 is in binary.
    1. csglinux's Avatar
      csglinux -
      Quote Originally Posted by GnatGoSplat View Post
      You get 64-bit native math and registers. What that means is native 64-bit apps can compute larger numbers, faster, than a 32-bit app. One number I saw, is a native 64-bit app can be anywhere from 2-20% faster depending on the size of its computations.

      For 32-bit apps, there is no performance benefit.

      For some time, 64-bit will just be a bragging right. More bits are always better if you're bragging.
      64-bit refers only to the address space. You won't be storing pi to any more significant digits (and frankly, who'd care if you did?).
      64-bit is going to do exactly NOTHING until memory and application/data sizes on the iPhone become much larger (maybe by iPhone 10?); this will do nothing for a phone with only 1Gb of RAM. In fact, it will simply chew up your storage, because your apps exec sizes will be larger. The A7 processor may be faster, but that has nothing to do with it being 64-bit.

      Having said that, the fingerprint scanner looks more useful than Siri. I just hope it works. I've had these scanners before on laptops and they were awful. After about 40 attempts you'll give up and enter the passcode manually. It'll be interesting to see if Apple has really cracked this for cases where your hands are cold, wet, etc.

      BUT, as Jony Ive said, the 5C is unashamedly plastic. Whooohooo! Plastic :-)
    1. elkyelky's Avatar
      elkyelky -
      64 bit on a phone is a pretty pointless change. As the above poster said, 64 bit will do nothing unless RAM increases.

      I'm all for 64 bit computing on laptops and desktops because we need more than 4gb memory these days but for a smart phone? It's an unnecessary change.
    1. Anonymous's Avatar
      Anonymous -
      Quote Originally Posted by bigboyz View Post
      I can't wait to get one! 64 Bit phone with finger scanner oh yeah! As for the naysayers and yawners..what exactly would wow you? All you do is complain without giving any good pointers for Apple to listen to. Explain what you would like to see and maybe it will come to fruition.
      Don't you know? Apple is supposed to reinvent the wheel with each new device.
    1. The Guz's Avatar
      The Guz -
      We all knew that the S model is typically an internal hardware upgrade. I have to debate on whether or not to get the 5s or stick with the 4 and see if apple completely redesigns the 6. I do like the new processor and the fingerprint scanner is also nice.

      My forst iphone was the 3G. I upgraded to the 4 as that was a new design that looked great. I passed on the 4s as it looked like the 4 other than getting Siri. I then passed on the 5 because the screen was just longer but the overall design was about the same. Again I need to think about upgrading or waiting one more year. I would like to see a new physical design. In the end I will most likely get a 5s lol.
    1. Megagizmo89's Avatar
      Megagizmo89 -
      Well i think if apple make an iphone with a bigger screen will kick *** and no home bottom but touch with an apple light i think that will rock but yeah i been with apple for years already since 3g 3gs 4,4s,5 and waiting to see if it change something people in the long run they going to get bored of the samething i like my iphones but come on we got to be real something new and a other thin i wish we could download themes in appstore that be awesome and the tweaks like iwidget to and some others but no luck whos with me any body feel me
    1. Rondon360's Avatar
      Rondon360 -
      What about the price... Compared to the 5 it seems much cheaper. But to get rid of the 5 all together makes me want to get a 5 cause I skipped it for the 5s. Then their gonna keep the 4s but not the 5 which makes me wonder. Cause 4s is not even 4g or lte compatible but the 5 is. Can some explain?
    1. HighTymes's Avatar
      HighTymes -
      Quote Originally Posted by csglinux View Post
      64-bit refers only to the address space. You won't be storing pi to any more significant digits (and frankly, who'd care if you did?).
      64-bit is going to do exactly NOTHING until memory and application/data sizes on the iPhone become much larger (maybe by iPhone 10?); this will do nothing for a phone with only 1Gb of RAM. In fact, it will simply chew up your storage, because your apps exec sizes will be larger. The A7 processor may be faster, but that has nothing to do with it being 64-bit.

      Having said that, the fingerprint scanner looks more useful than Siri. I just hope it works. I've had these scanners before on laptops and they were awful. After about 40 attempts you'll give up and enter the passcode manually. It'll be interesting to see if Apple has really cracked this for cases where your hands are cold, wet, etc.

      BUT, as Jony Ive said, the 5C is unashamedly plastic. Whooohooo! Plastic :-)

      Can you remember the first time you touched an iPhone screen? Remember how responsive it was? Remember how smooth it was compared to anything else on the market? Seems like it is going to be this same way with the style of this new fingerprint scanner compared to previous ones on the market. This is what Apple is great at, making components reliable and seamlessly integrated
    1. Albut's Avatar
      Albut -
      Looks the same as iPhone 5, even the small small screen!!
    1. Eonhpi's Avatar
      Eonhpi -
      Cant wait to take these phones apart
    1. iPhoneThereforeIAm's Avatar
      iPhoneThereforeIAm -
      Does not 64-bit architecture provide greater scope for more powerful software ?
      And what are folk expecting from an 'S' upgrade ?
      Design only changes on a number increase.
      This upgrade wouldn't be worth upgrading from an i-5 for - but holds a lot for the future of the iOS platform.
      The iPhone-6's WILL be worth waiting for - and I suspect, will bring a lot of Apple-exiles back to iOS.
    1. Scheuerle's Avatar
      Scheuerle -
      A record of my fingerprint on a device that stores and sends data... Wow that sounds like a smashing idea!
      How about we all just agree to get barcodes tattooed on our foreheads, it would be so much easier.