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  • Apple Begins Killing the Hard Drive


    Apple calls the new MacBook Air "the next generation of MacBooks," in an indication that they are planning on incorporating the innovative features of the refreshed model in all Apple laptops. Chief among these is the solid-state drive (SSD) flash storage that replaces the hard drive, cutting weight and extending battery life. Apple has telegraphed in a number of ways that the 'instant-on' capability of the MacBook Air and iPad will become standard on MacBooks - if not on all Macs - in the future.

    "All notebooks will be like this someday," Jobs said on the stage yesterday, calling the MacBook Air "the future of the MacBook." In the press release accompanying the Air launch, Apple strongly asserted that "the first of a next generation of notebooks which will replace mechanical hard disks and optical drives with Internet services and solid state flash storage." So it's clear that they intend to standardize on flash storage as opposed to mechanical hard disks. Apple is already the largest buyer of NAND flash memory in the world, snapping up so many of the silicon wafers that it's single handedly caused worldwide shortages time and time again. However, their purchasing power has also enabled them to get flash at a good price, and further driving the price down by forcing manufacturers to increase production.

    So is this a good development for the future of the MacBook, as well as the notebook industry in general? For one thing, the lack of moving parts eliminates the number one killer of hard drives: head crashes. Also, start-up time and access time is faster in solid state memory than in mechanical hard drives, again because of no moving parts. Heat buildup is limited and power usage is much lower. On the downside, the high price makes storage larger than the 256GB in the 13-inch Air impractical, though as production ramps up we should see prices come down. One major drawback is that there are a limited number of write cycles with flash memory; mechanical hard drives can be rewritten as many as ten times more than flash chips.

    Technical and price shortcomings will doubtlessly diminish over time, and for a user who needs a light, medium-duty laptop - and has money to spare - the current crop of MacBook Airs are a fine choice. For those who are looking for a more affordable, durable option and are not rabid early adopters, waiting a year or so might be appropriate.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple Begins Killing the Hard Drive started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 92 Comments
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by piston597 View Post
      OBVIOUSLY they have no say in any market. Like when they had 0% in the phone market now what are they a good 30% or so? Since the iPhone apps and touchscreen phones have boomed. What about the iPad? They were at 0% and control a great portion of the tablet market. I'm sure they can also control the computer market aswell. Plus memory gets cheaper, if ssd's take up less space and are faster it is bound to get cheaper in 2-4 years. I remember when I bought my 4GB memory stick for $140, now they cost like $30, same with ssd's, Apple is just making that day come sooner...
      PS not trying to start a flame war... just stating my opinion, as you are yours (means I wont respond to any comments on this kthnxby)
      iPhone and iPads are not fair examples. The smartphone and tablet markets were essentially nonexistent when Apple got involved in each of them (there were a few exceptions of course). The laptop market is an entirely different thing altogether. It's not as if this is their first attempt at a laptop. The MBA does nothing to revolutionize it's market.
    1. one1's Avatar
      one1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by piston597 View Post
      OBVIOUSLY they have no say in any market. Like when they had 0% in the phone market now what are they a good 30% or so? Since the iPhone apps and touchscreen phones have boomed. What about the iPad? They were at 0% and control a great portion of the tablet market. I'm sure they can also control the computer market aswell. Plus memory gets cheaper, if ssd's take up less space and are faster it is bound to get cheaper in 2-4 years. I remember when I bought my 4GB memory stick for $140, now they cost like $30, same with ssd's, Apple is just making that day come sooner...
      PS not trying to start a flame war... just stating my opinion, as you are yours (means I wont respond to any comments on this kthnxby)
      Now repeat after me "None of that S**T requires a HD so it is not taking away from HD sales no matter how many of them they sell". It's not a real computer, no USB, no printer port, NOTHING. It's "a magical device" from fairy land. That's great, but we live in "everybody has a laptop or desktop land" here in reality and I have yet to be rang up at a DPS computer terminal by an iPad in any corporation anywhere on planet earth INCLUDING at Apple stores who have their own special dondle device for keying in the order and a big MAC as the register. Here's a statistic for you, Apple has been making computers since the 70's and haven't done squat since to break into the market share.......... you expecting a miracle to happen that hasn't happened in the last 40 years?

      Now everyone get out of magic device fairy land and come back to reality where we use computers which Apple is only 3% market share of. PERIOD. Kids....... believing in fairy tales ever more.
    1. Waleed786's Avatar
      Waleed786 -
      Quote Originally Posted by moon#pie View Post
      ummm, ok. I'm sorry that you wished you could have a mac, but don't have the money.

      Guess what?! Your iPhone, it's an Apple product! It has less software choices than macs!

      Oh and also, applications for mac kick the butt of windows apps any day. You want to know why? because apple has a SDK with tons of tools and API's that help dev make awesome apps, with much less work.


      you're the one being a troll.
      IOS is completely irrelevant to mac. Liking an iphone has nothing to do with liking a mac. More than half of the windows users dont like windows mobile.
      You say he's a troll for supporting windows, yet you finish your post with mac's a** all over your face?
      Like you said, this is an apple forum. Not a mac forum. Apple does not stand for mac. Mac stands for Apple. Just as IOS stands for Apple.

      Quote Originally Posted by Rob2G View Post
      OS X is a much much better OS than any windows os but apple hardware is over priced that's why I have a hackintosh for my main setup that way my video card, CPU and all that stuff is affordable to upgrade. All my mobile devices and laptops are apple brand because IMO they are better then the rest.
      I agree that Apple's hardware are overpriced, I only bought the iphone because of IOS. If IOS could be installed on one of those HTC Desire phones, I would switch in a minute. Idk about OSX (never used it much, so don't know much about it) but IOS is definitely my favorite.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by Waleed786 View Post
      IOS is completely irrelevant to mac. Liking an iphone has nothing to do with liking a mac. More than half of the windows users dont like windows mobile.
      You say he's a troll for supporting windows, yet you finish your post with mac's a** all over your face?
      Like you said, this is an apple forum. Not a mac forum. Apple does not stand for mac. Mac stands for Apple. Just as IOS stands for Apple.



      I agree that Apple's hardware are overpriced, I only bought the iphone because of IOS. If IOS could be installed on one of those HTC Desire phones, I would switch in a minute. Idk about OSX (never used it much, so don't know much about it) but IOS is definitely my favorite.
      I'm not an apple fanboi. I use all major OS's. I prefer mac OS to any other. I am probably more proficient with computers (windows included) than most of the IT department at my college. He was being a troll all over then thread. it was time for him to stfu.
    1. Tyronal's Avatar
      Tyronal -
      Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
      I can't stand listening to you close-minded fools.

      I've seen some pretty kickass pc-based laptops that are right there with the top MBPs in terms of performance. Hell, you can make a hackintosh that will run OSX right alongside the best MBPs for a fraction of their price. Also, your argument about not being able to afford one does nothing to support your opinion whatsoever.

      Yes, there are some awesome ones that are better than their Windows equivalents, but to act as though there aren't just as many Wnidows based apps that are better than there Mac based rivals is just foolish. After all, bootcamp and parallels are big hits for a reason.

      You and Tyronal are certainly two of the more hostile members of this site.
      Sent from my iPhone using ModMyi
      Sorry you find coming to an all Apple forums and reading "hostile" posts from obvious haters, good reading. I don't. I can't stand listening to "closed"-minded fools that use an Apple forum to bash either. After using all platforms and using all OS' over 25 years, I've made my choice, but I don't go on MS forums and trash PC's, and I don't come here and trash Macs either. Would you enjoy someone coming to your house and trashing you choice of stereo or TV? I'm interested where Apple is going with their choice of technology because it does impact the market place and that affects my business directly. I'm sick of obvious haters with half a brain coming to an "ALL APPLE" forum with only one agenda. If I want to listen to pimple faced twats whinge about ridiculous stuff I'll go spend the day at the Mall, thanks. The fact the mods don't police their own rules, opens these discussions boards up to trolls. It pollutes a good site and if you want educated readers turning away, all you'll get is Apple haters. Is that what you want from this site???

      Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
      Apple has no say in the hard drive whatsoever. They don't sell enough mac's to equal an ant hill in the computer market and all the iphones, IPT's and ipads have ran flash from day one so Apple has NEVER affected HD sales of computers, most especially since only one of their computers comes standard with SSD. (MBA)

      So either Jobs, or the person who wrote this article has their head in the sand if they think their 3% of the computer market has anything to do with hard drive sales.

      LAUGHABLE.
      Nobody has a "SAY" in the hard drive market place. The fact Apple is the biggest buyer of Flash memory in the world does have an impact in the market place. Apple dropped many hardware standards before others did and got this same kind of ridicule. Guess what? They all eventually followed. The day SSD prices equal or drop below HD prices, guess what? SSD will be the next standard and it eventually will. If technology isn't bold enough to move forward by dropping accepted standards and taking risks with newer, more pricy alternatives, then it will end up in a technological rut. Henry Ford took gamble after gamble and drove the auto industry into whole new era. I only hope more companies have the balls to do the same regardless of the flak the neigh says keep heaping on companies like Apple. Why should we be happy with technology that's 10-15 years old? If you want to see what the future of computers will be take a look: [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer]Quantum computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

      BTW, Apples US market share is over 20% and rising dramatically, not 3%. World wide it's more around 17%. With computers and iPad combined they make up 85% of the PC market and now the biggest IT company on the planet. Ignore them at your peril, and when Chrome OS is released, MS won't be worried about Apple. Chrome will be the biggest threat MS will face in its long history. It could even break them.... Lets wait and see. But then you can always keep your head in the sand, nothing changes there.
    1. one1's Avatar
      one1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tyronal View Post

      Nobody has a "SAY" in the hard drive market place.
      That is what I just said, pat attention. Needs not repeating.

      You can dream about the future all you want, read the title of the thread again.
    1. Tyronal's Avatar
      Tyronal -
      Quote Originally Posted by one1 View Post
      That is what I just said, pat attention. Needs not repeating.

      You can dream about the future all you want, read the title of the thread again.
      To quote your own comments "Apple has no say in the hard drive whatsoever". Perhaps you should "pat" or is that pay attention to what you write yourself, then you won't be taken out of context. Next time make it clear what you are trying to say, albeit rather cryptic or unintelligible at times.

      I don't dream about anything. It is my business to know where the trends go so I can't afford to be a fanboy of anything. Again, ignore anything at your peril while the rest of the world moves forward, flat earthers don't decide where technology goes, thank god.

      The title of the tread is just a flame but in reality HD is the old technology and won't last the next decade. You can bank on it, and I do. The market always gets it right.
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tyronal View Post
      To quote your own comments "Apple has no say in the hard drive whatsoever". Perhaps you should "pat" or is that pay attention to what you write yourself, then you won't be taken out of context. Next time make it clear what you are trying to say, albeit rather cryptic or unintelligible at times.

      I don't dream about anything. It is my business to know where the trends go so I can't afford to be a fanboy of anything. Again, ignore anything at your peril while the rest of the world moves forward, flat earthers don't decide where technology goes, thank god.

      The title of the tread is just a flame but in reality HD is the old technology and won't last the next decade. You can bank on it, and I do. The market always gets it right.
      don't screw with one1 or you'll become Zeal3.
    1. hogcia's Avatar
      hogcia -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob2G View Post
      Isn't this an apple themed site? Does your idevice have the apple logo on it's back?
      Um.... And what's your point? I HATE apple, I hate there limited Mac os and there non gaming computers are overpriced. I just happen to love there iPhone and ios on a mobile level. Go ahead, burn me now for being honest!
    1. coolguy742's Avatar
      coolguy742 -
      Quote Originally Posted by mardinn View Post
      I seriously hope Apple will fail. They think they can control everything. One day, and that day will come soon I will see Apple crumble for trying to control everything. Pathetic Steve Jobs..
      When does this article say that Apple tries to control anything? Apple is just like Intel, example: Intel produced the first ever DEC CPU and 3 years later invented PGA 370 socket CPU's and another 3 or 4 years later they invented the LGA 775 CPU socket and NOW we have the Intel LGA 1156 (aka the i3 i5 and i7). So in conclusion, Intel revolutionizes the CPU market every 3 or few years, and like Intel, Apple revolutionizes the macbook, iOS, or Leopard (now going to be lion) every few years!
    1. moon#pie's Avatar
      moon#pie -
      Quote Originally Posted by hogcia View Post
      Um.... And what's your point? I HATE apple, I hate there limited Mac os and there non gaming computers are overpriced. I just happen to love there iPhone and ios on a mobile level. Go ahead, burn me now for being honest!
      "Limited OS"? That's what terminal.app is for. You're just not savvy enough to know what to do with it.
    1. Snozberries's Avatar
      Snozberries -
      Agreed to most posts. I too would love to get a nice "instant on" 120 gb SSD. Let's just be realistic and back it up to a $150 WD 1TB HDD in your HP MediaSmart Server... I'm half way there. Still not willing to rebuild my rig with an SSD yet. To Be Continued...