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  • Cydia Acquires Rock.app


    It's been a year and a half since Rock Your Phone first made live their Rock.app store for 3rd party iPhone apps. Over the past few months, the folks who own both stores (Jay Freeman and Mario Ciabarra) have been working through a huge deal, which has come to public fruition tonight - Cydia is acquiring Rock. Well, technically, SaurikIT, LLC is acquiring Rock Your Phone, Inc (let's use correct business names here).

    Details of the acquisition have not been made public, but here's what it means to you: Rock.app will essentially dwindle away. There will be a transitional period for the next 10 days where users can purchase/download apps and licenses in Rock. After that, users will use their Cydia Store login to retrieve their purchased apps. The large majority of themes/apps from Rock will be moved over to Cydia (most are already there right now). Rock will have a notice on it's first page, and APT updates will discontinue in the near future (so Rock would be useless even if you had it). I chatted with Mario Ciabarra (CEO and founder of Rock Your Phone) and he had this to say about the acquisition:

    It's been a fun ride. We set out to change the landscape and I think we were very successful. I think we contributed to attracting more business professionals to the iPhone jailbreak community, and added some great functionality to the platform. The current transaction with Cydia is a great opportunity for us. We're going to miss some of the excitement, but no reason for anyone to worry. I, personally, will be spending even more time in Intelliborn apps development (both existing and exciting new projects). A few months ago, Jay and I sat down together and we realized, I enjoyed making apps more (and was better at it), while Jay enjoys providing platform functionality. It was a win-win for both groups and we're excited about the transition.
    Ciabarra, aka psuskeels, has been making jailbreak apps since very early on in the scene (Intelliscreen came out in May of 2008) - just a couple months after Cydia's February 2008 release. And while Intelliborn will still be a big player in the iPhone 3rd party apps scene, Rock will not. All the Intelliborn apps, like MyWi, Tlert, MyProfiles, My3G, Intelliscreen, etc will all remain available and development will be continued on them. They will all be available solely in Cydia now. In fact, this move means a total of over 21,000 iPhone extensions, apps, and themes are now in Cydia which are not available in the Apple AppStore.

    There's been a fierce undercurrent in many communities this past 18 months of "loyalty" to one of the two major jailbreak AppStores, with conversations in high gear lauding one or the other, bringing up this point or that point, etc. Many had both installed, and everyone had a preference. One thing can be said - it was a good run. You can't argue that Cydia isn't a more technically thorough solution, but the user experience of Rock.app was preferred by many. And the numbers are impressive - check these out from the Rock Your Phone news post about the acquisition:
    • Number of Developers with apps listed in the Rock Store: 124 (from 19 countries)
    • Unique iOS devices that installed Rock: 4.6 million (from 220 countries/territories) - Wow that is a lot of places!
    • Registered Rock Users: 2+ million
    • Number of App licenses sold: 500,000
    • Users of who took the plunge and bought something: 280,000 (from 185 countries)
    • Total Rock Your Phone Store revenue (March 12th, 2009 - September 2010): $3.3+ million
    • Number of Rock Employees (we are using the word employee loosely here but, hey, it is our company): 9

    After jailbreaking was officially declared legal in late July, there's been an even larger focus on the jailbreak community, or 3rd party iPhone developers. This acquisition makes Cydia and Cydia Store the clear leader in iPhone 3rd party package management. Exciting times ahead...

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Acquires Rock.app started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 474 Comments
    1. k.nitsua's Avatar
      k.nitsua -
      Quote Originally Posted by k.nitsua View Post
      Before you guys jump the gun and dismiss Cydia, be patient. Yes, Cydia hasn't evolved as competition have, but keep in mind that Cydia, Cydia support, licensing, mobilesubstrate, and a flurry of other iDevice essentials were all done BY ONE GUY, Saurik.

      Saurik has already announced that other devs, for the first time, will be placed in the loop and will be taking a shot at making Cydia more user-friendly; further pointing out that chpwn will be putting his take on Cydia. chpwn's stuff has always been immensely user-friendly, and I am confident we will be getting the Cydia experience we've all been yearning for.

      Just be patient, good things will come, rest assure.
      Quote Originally Posted by k.nitsua View Post
      I guess I'm just talking to myself in here...

      That's fine...

      La-lala-lala-la-la-la...
      Felt like posting this again in lieu of what appears to be a low rate of actual readership here in these forums.

      Seriously, how do you current forum regulars handle this? I'm seriously annoyed.
    1. dozia's Avatar
      dozia -
      I agree R333, I really hope Rock's app sorting methods are implemented and reviews/ratings will be added to Cydia.
    1. weazle23's Avatar
      weazle23 -
      The only thing i used rock for was the app backup feature. Its great saurik is incorporating it into cydia.
    1. k.nitsua's Avatar
      k.nitsua -
      Quote Originally Posted by weazle23 View Post
      The only thing i used rock for was the app backup feature. Its great saurik is incorporating it into cydia.
      Finally, someone who reads.
    1. subywrex's Avatar
      subywrex -
      Quote Originally Posted by k.nitsua View Post
      I guess I'm just talking to myself in here...

      That's fine...

      La-lala-lala-la-la-la...
      I hear you loud an clear k. Well said
    1. Soundbwooy's Avatar
      Soundbwooy -
      Noo!!!!...can't believe it, i love my Rock app... Don't get me wrong cause i really enjoy Cydia but Rock ran smooth all the time
    1. GranDaddyPurp's Avatar
      GranDaddyPurp -
      I would love to see how this turns out.

      Personally I've only used rock a few times and didn't really like it but lets see how this goes. Hopefully well.
    1. punjabi212's Avatar
      punjabi212 -
      Hope this turns out well.
    1. Jmataska's Avatar
      Jmataska -
      Quote Originally Posted by Soundbwooy View Post
      Noo!!!!...can't believe it, i love my Rock app... Don't get me wrong cause i really enjoy Cydia but Rock ran smooth all the time
      Rock may have ran smooth, but underneath, it was "sloppy". This was all stated earlier in the thread, maybe 10-20 times....
    1. SnowLeo's Avatar
      SnowLeo -
      Cydia has always been more stable for me and Ive gotten Rock since it started and watched it develope and found the UI and ratings very helpful but a lot of the time I still go back to cydia. So hows this merging working? Will all the Rock devs be added to the cydia (one man) team? I cant wait to do backups through cydia and have a better interface. The speed doesnt matter because cydia got faster and is always reliable.

      Just a few requests and hopes I have for the new cydia:
      1. Ratings- I wished cydia had this from the start and very often I would open up Rock just to read the reviews before buying or downloading an app.
      2. Backups- according to saurik on twitter he says its coming so thats a plus.
      3. Better ipad support- The only place I tended to use Rock more was on my ipad because the Rock team took much more time porting it right and getting it right on the ipad. Not only with landscape but Rock has a ipad icon as well as BETTER IPAD STABILITY. I dont know why but I belive apple has some bugs and I experience random reboots on my ipad when I go in the settings, spotlight, and photos apps but this same bug occurs in cydia on the ipad ):
      4. Better GUI- this doesnt matter as much as the rest but I would really like to see a cleaner, more easy to use interface with actually updated top apps/themes as well as a jailbreak newsfeed kind of like the articles that were in Rock.
      5. Better descriptions- I would like there to be more uniformity and better interface for descriptions as well aa FASTER LOADING TIMES for the screenshots/changelog. Also previews for cydia apps/themes/mods like in Rock would be nice.
      6. Support for payment options other than paypal such as credit cards across all purchases (smartscreen was the only app I saw with this so far.)
      7. Forgot to mention this earlier- RockApp-like TRIAL SYSTEM.

      But I really have to admitt that Rock has become very prominent and has far surpassed any of the previous non-cydia installers like installer.app, Icy, and Kracken (I think thats what it was called). All those other installers were failed or abandoned but the dedicated Rock team has really shown themselves to be very active and determined to continue providing the best experience to the end users. I really hope saurik chooses to take in all of the Rock team to help him improve Cydia and maybe help with updating all of Sauriks amazing apps. Once again just thanks to all the members at Rock and Cydia and I really hope to see some good new things coming from Cydia.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Aside from K.nits and a handful of others, the past 50 - 75 posts make me sick. The level of ignorant entitlement displayed by members of this site is pathetic. Want, want, want! If you bothered to pull your head out of your tail and read, you would notice that Saurik himself has posted on here and addressed, if not disproven, basically every single issue that y'all have whined about. iPhone 3G users complaining about speed! Now that is just funny.


      Quote Originally Posted by nickab View Post
      I only ever used Rock to purchase applications because I liked that I didn't have to do anything special to backup those purchases. Does this acquisition mean I'm going to have to repurchase my apps like MyWi, My3G, and Tlert? If not, do I have to do anything to back them up? Currently they're associated with my Rock.app login. If I lose my licenses because of this I am going to abandon my jailbreak and update to 4.1 and never look to the jailbreak community again. I appreciate the hard work that goes into it, but when you start charging money for the services you provide you need to back it up with customer service and user-friendliness. We're all Apple users after all! LOL.
      First off, read the previous posts.

      Secondly, you're logic is flawed is you thing anyone views you swearing to leave the jailbreak community as a threat. Please don't wait, go ahead and leave now; the community needs less of you arrogant and incompetent members.



      ******

      On a different note, I'm glad the review and ratings are coming to Cydia, that's about the only complaint that was reasonable. Personally, I like Cydia's ui much more than Rock's. Rock was over the top IMHO; trying to fit way too much "flash" in a relatively compact space.

      Saurik, if you're still reading this, do you think that you could post some of the stats for Cydia that Mario posted for Rock? I'm quite curious to see how they compare. Thanks again for all of your hard work.
    1. k.nitsua's Avatar
      k.nitsua -
      @snowleo: @chpwn just posted up on twitter that he is especially working on stabilizing iPad support for Cydia... So it looks like you'll get your wish ^_^
    1. FreeApple's Avatar
      FreeApple -
      THIS IS ACTUALLY UPSETTING TO ME! I HATE CYDIA!!! ROCK IS TWICE THE STORE EXASPESIALLY FOR DEVS! this sucks! =(
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by FreeApple View Post
      THIS IS ACTUALLY UPSETTING TO ME! I HATE CYDIA!!! ROCK IS TWICE THE STORE EXASPESIALLY FOR DEVS! this sucks! =(
      Would you be so kind as to explain the ways that it will suck for developers?
    1. dorkydood's Avatar
      dorkydood -
      It appears to me that saurik reads this thread more thoroughly, and more often, than most of the people complaining about the topic at hand. He has laid out his plans, explained his reasoning, answers questions, and based on the contents of this thread as it compares to his comments on Cydia, he is paying attention.
      Rest assured, if he doesn't pull it off, another Rock.app will take it's place.

      Thanks, saurik, for everything.
    1. SnowLeo's Avatar
      SnowLeo -
      Thanks for informing me K. Nitsua looks like Im gonna be getting all that I asked for. Im really glad theyre gonna be able to have everything worked out and I really will like having all of the features and advantages of both stores on one place.

      Now about a ipad HD cydia icon.... lol just kidding that matters like least of anything.

      So will the current app reviews transfer over from Rock or will it start fresh?
    1. ca3's Avatar
      ca3 -
      dang... i like rock a lot, cydia has a lot of work to do....
    1. Greengirl319's Avatar
      Greengirl319 -
      Ok how do i download this rock and cydia stuff? I really want to jailbreak my ipod but i have no luck with computers. I tried using jailbreakme but i needed it downgraded but i dont know how to di that either! Some one please tell me the easiet way to jailbreak my ipod with 4.0.2!!!!
    1. razorfrog's Avatar
      razorfrog -
      Glad to see MyWi transferred, but what about "FastSnap"?
    1. RileyFreeman's Avatar
      RileyFreeman -
      i hope cydia puts a whats new like rock had. that was one of the things thta rock had over cydia.