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  • Cydia Acquires Rock.app


    It's been a year and a half since Rock Your Phone first made live their Rock.app store for 3rd party iPhone apps. Over the past few months, the folks who own both stores (Jay Freeman and Mario Ciabarra) have been working through a huge deal, which has come to public fruition tonight - Cydia is acquiring Rock. Well, technically, SaurikIT, LLC is acquiring Rock Your Phone, Inc (let's use correct business names here).

    Details of the acquisition have not been made public, but here's what it means to you: Rock.app will essentially dwindle away. There will be a transitional period for the next 10 days where users can purchase/download apps and licenses in Rock. After that, users will use their Cydia Store login to retrieve their purchased apps. The large majority of themes/apps from Rock will be moved over to Cydia (most are already there right now). Rock will have a notice on it's first page, and APT updates will discontinue in the near future (so Rock would be useless even if you had it). I chatted with Mario Ciabarra (CEO and founder of Rock Your Phone) and he had this to say about the acquisition:

    It's been a fun ride. We set out to change the landscape and I think we were very successful. I think we contributed to attracting more business professionals to the iPhone jailbreak community, and added some great functionality to the platform. The current transaction with Cydia is a great opportunity for us. We're going to miss some of the excitement, but no reason for anyone to worry. I, personally, will be spending even more time in Intelliborn apps development (both existing and exciting new projects). A few months ago, Jay and I sat down together and we realized, I enjoyed making apps more (and was better at it), while Jay enjoys providing platform functionality. It was a win-win for both groups and we're excited about the transition.
    Ciabarra, aka psuskeels, has been making jailbreak apps since very early on in the scene (Intelliscreen came out in May of 2008) - just a couple months after Cydia's February 2008 release. And while Intelliborn will still be a big player in the iPhone 3rd party apps scene, Rock will not. All the Intelliborn apps, like MyWi, Tlert, MyProfiles, My3G, Intelliscreen, etc will all remain available and development will be continued on them. They will all be available solely in Cydia now. In fact, this move means a total of over 21,000 iPhone extensions, apps, and themes are now in Cydia which are not available in the Apple AppStore.

    There's been a fierce undercurrent in many communities this past 18 months of "loyalty" to one of the two major jailbreak AppStores, with conversations in high gear lauding one or the other, bringing up this point or that point, etc. Many had both installed, and everyone had a preference. One thing can be said - it was a good run. You can't argue that Cydia isn't a more technically thorough solution, but the user experience of Rock.app was preferred by many. And the numbers are impressive - check these out from the Rock Your Phone news post about the acquisition:
    • Number of Developers with apps listed in the Rock Store: 124 (from 19 countries)
    • Unique iOS devices that installed Rock: 4.6 million (from 220 countries/territories) - Wow that is a lot of places!
    • Registered Rock Users: 2+ million
    • Number of App licenses sold: 500,000
    • Users of who took the plunge and bought something: 280,000 (from 185 countries)
    • Total Rock Your Phone Store revenue (March 12th, 2009 - September 2010): $3.3+ million
    • Number of Rock Employees (we are using the word employee loosely here but, hey, it is our company): 9

    After jailbreaking was officially declared legal in late July, there's been an even larger focus on the jailbreak community, or 3rd party iPhone developers. This acquisition makes Cydia and Cydia Store the clear leader in iPhone 3rd party package management. Exciting times ahead...

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Acquires Rock.app started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 474 Comments
    1. Zenitram's Avatar
      Zenitram -
      Quote Originally Posted by philly0429 View Post
      So should I just go ahead and remove Rock from my packages?
      Yes, as I understand it, and as others have confirmed, all the info was transferred over to Cydia. I was concerned about Intelliscreen and other apps that required the Rock app download, but I deleted Rock and haven't had any issues.
    1. reanimationxp's Avatar
      reanimationxp -
      @Saurik:

      What's your response to the need for a way to view all Cydia purchases associated with your account? I've purchased apps and since forgotten I've purchased them. Granted this won't prevent me from installing, but I'd like to know. Rock did have that one-up on Cydia.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by reanimationxp View Post
      @Saurik:

      What's your response to the need for a way to view all Cydia purchases associated with your account? I've purchased apps and since forgotten I've purchased them. Granted this won't prevent me from installing, but I'd like to know. Rock did have that one-up on Cydia.
      That would be a great update. I get frustrated having to go search through my PayPal transactions to find the names of the lesser used apps that I have purchased.
    1. sekazi's Avatar
      sekazi -
      Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
      Most of the support issues with one-off account mechanisms rapidly become "I lost my password". Having users log in using external accounts like Google or Facebook is awesome for users, because it means that you have multi-billion dollar companies handling your login-related support requests. Please provide actual reasons why this is "********".
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      That would be a great update. I get frustrated having to go search through my PayPal transactions to find the names of the lesser used apps that I have purchased.
      @saurik the above is the main reason accounts are needed. I want to know what I purchased and I want to know what devices I have linked to that account and be able to unlink devices you do not want on the account. This would also allow you to make purchases on a computer than iPhone/iPod as well. I hate sites that go directly to something else to make purchases without some account on their part.

      As for the whole password thing make the user logins the email address and what ever password they want. Then if they have issues email a recovery password and force a reset on the next login. If they no longer have that email account becuase they did not want to change it when they got rid of it tough luck.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
      @saurik the above is the main reason accounts are needed. I want to know what I purchased and I want to know what devices I have linked to that account and be able to unlink devices you do not want on the account. This would also allow you to make purchases on a computer than iPhone/iPod as well. I hate sites that go directly to something else to make purchases without some account on their part.

      As for the whole password thing make the user logins the email address and what ever password they want. Then if they have issues email a recovery password and force a reset on the next login. If they no longer have that email account becuase they did not want to change it when they got rid of it tough luck.
      What? Seriously? You don't have an account on Cydia? I do. I just want the list of purchases added to it.
    1. sekazi's Avatar
      sekazi -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      What? Seriously? You don't have an account on Cydia? I do. I just want the list of purchases added to it.
      If I do have a account them please tell me how to view it. As far as I can tell you just click purchase and log into you Google account and make a purchase though PayPal. As far as I can tell Cydia has no type of account at all.
    1. FreeApple's Avatar
      FreeApple -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      Also, keep in mind that what you may perceive as "immaturity" could be due to the fact that a surprisingly high percentage of key members of this community are 22 years old or younger... You can usually see a huge difference in how the older members of the community (Kyle, Saurik, Semaphore, MuscleNerd) present themselves compared to some of the younger members (GeoHot, GoJohnnyBoi, etc.).
      Iam sorry bro but what do you work for Saurik or somthing! You spend more time here fighting for him then he does himself ! Kinda wierd thats all! Its cool though shows that you care about the community you are in, but damn dude let people talk with out ridiculing them everytime!

      I agree with Cricket this thread sould be closed because were getting no where but frustration and opinions....no facts or solutions

      you know what they say about opinions right? There like assh0les everybodies got them and the stink! Iam no different....Saurik if you read this post Thank you for your time and trying to do what you can, there is alot of people including myself that just dont understand what it really takes to run cydia!

      I hope in the near future we can see some legitt changes and maybe JUST MAYBE we can see a theme tab for just paid themes! just a suggestion from a fellow themer so please dont beat me up over it! =)

      Thanks....thought ide drop in and throw in my two cents "as if it even matters", but Iam concerned where this is all going....weeks and lots of posts with no update for Cydia yet and no real solution for me and my fellow themers
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by FreeApple View Post
      Iam sorry bro but what do you work for Saurik or somthing! You spend more time here fighting for him then he does himself ! Kinda wierd thats all! Its cool though shows that you care about the community you are in, but damn dude let people talk with out ridiculing them everytime!

      I agree with Cricket this thread sould be closed because were getting no where but frustration and opinions....no facts or solutions

      you know what they say about opinions right? There like assh0les everybodies got them and the stink! Iam no different....Saurik if you read this post Thank you for your time and trying to do what you can, there is alot of people including myself that just dont understand what it really takes to run cydia!

      I hope in the near future we can see some legitt changes and maybe JUST MAYBE we can see a theme tab for just paid themes! just a suggestion from a fellow themer so please dont beat me up over it! =)

      Thanks....thought ide drop in and throw in my two cents "as if it even matters", but Iam concerned where this is all going....weeks and lots of posts with no update for Cydia yet and no real solution for me and my fellow themers
      Please, work on your grammar if you want your opinions to be taken seriously.
    1. Trist@n's Avatar
      Trist@n -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      Please, work on your grammar if you want your opinions to be taken seriously.
      Please work on your attitude and the way you respond to people. The previous poster is absolutely correct...you seem to stick your nose into every single post and it is getting old, tiresome and totally unproductive!

      Saurik is a man that can answer for himself and does not need individuals like you to interject a comment on every single post. You are insulting, unproductive and act like you are a moderator which you are not!!!

      Myself and I am sure many many others ask that you cease and desist with your response to every single post as you are doing nothing constructive or productive other then pissing people off that have questions or concerns.

      PLEASE BACK OFF AND LEAVE THIS THREAD...THANK YOU
    1. Cer0's Avatar
      Cer0 -
      STOP!

      Do not go into bashing each other here. (Which this is heading quickly there.) Please stay on topic about the Cydia/Rock matter.
    1. blkcadi's Avatar
      blkcadi -
      What the heck guys, chill out for goodness sakes..............or take it outside. lolz
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
      If I do have a account them please tell me how to view it. As far as I can tell you just click purchase and log into you Google account and make a purchase though PayPal. As far as I can tell Cydia has no type of account at all.
      What more do you need for an account? I don't think there's a need to create an entirely independent account system. The system in place could certainly use a few improvements (adding a purchased items list is a great example), but overall it seems more than adequate.

      Quote Originally Posted by Trist@n View Post
      Please work on your attitude and the way you respond to people. The previous poster is absolutely correct...you seem to stick your nose into every single post and it is getting old, tiresome and totally unproductive!

      Saurik is a man that can answer for himself and does not need individuals like you to interject a comment on every single post. You are insulting, unproductive and act like you are a moderator which you are not!!!

      Myself and I am sure many many others ask that you cease and desist with your response to every single post as you are doing nothing constructive or productive other then pissing people off that have questions or concerns.

      PLEASE BACK OFF AND LEAVE THIS THREAD...THANK YOU
      If something that I say is wrong or misleading then please point it out. All I've been doing is pointing out errors in logic, attempting to help others (and myself) better understand why things are being done a certain way, and engaging in general discussion of this merger.
    1. fc97accord's Avatar
      fc97accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      What more do you need for an account? I don't think there's a need to create an entirely independent account system. The system in place could certainly use a few improvements (adding a purchased items list is a great example), but overall it seems more than adequate.



      If something that I say is wrong or misleading then please point it out. All I've been doing is pointing out errors in logic, attempting to help others (and myself) better understand why things are being done a certain way, and engaging in general discussion of this merger.
      You have very poor PR skills! How did you feel about that comment?
      Its true and direct, but not the best way to present it. Try to be more diplomatic!! You are dealing with people not computers!
    1. blkcadi's Avatar
      blkcadi -
      Infractions have been issued, stay on topic, stop the bashing or this thread will indeed be closed.
      Closing a thread is not what we really want, intelligent discussion is what we strive for.
    1. reanimationxp's Avatar
      reanimationxp -
      Mentlegen, let's not get butthurt over each other expressing opinions. Please don't close the thread.. Saurik has been and continues to be most informational and helpful here.

      Patiently awaiting @Saurik's response to the need for a listing of purchased packages (across all repos)
    1. spooneditr's Avatar
      spooneditr -
      Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.[/QUOTE]

      How do we really know if we got screwed and how or what should I look for so I don't run into these problems because I'd really like to know. If someone knows a forums about this pls let me know. Thanks
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by spooneditr View Post
      Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.
      How do we really know if we got screwed and how or what should I look for so I don't run into these problems because I'd really like to know. If someone knows a forums about this pls let me know. Thanks
      The way to be most certain about it all would be to do a full restore and jailbreak the phone again as now Rock won't be a part of the process at all anymore. However, if you've been using the phone with the current setup for a while now, you should be fine. AFAIK they are pretty instantaneous issues and you'd have noticed the issues by now if they applied to your phone.
    1. Semferon's Avatar
      Semferon -
      Why everybody tries to create monopoly?

      Congratulations saurik... do you feel better now that there are no other options left but cydia?

      Leave jailbreaking scene free... that was the point back in the days...

      you could enter a free world where nobody was setting rules... a world where you could choose on your own...

      Now what!? Icy is gone, Rock is gone, Cydia lives... just like second Apple...

      I am not particularly against Cydia because i use it a lot... but please Give ROCK back to those who liked it!!! otherwise it is an unfair game...
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Semferon View Post
      Why everybody tries to create monopoly?

      Congratulations saurik... do you feel better now that there are no other options left but cydia?

      Leave jailbreaking scene free... that was the point back in the days...

      you could enter a free world where nobody was setting rules... a world where you could choose on your own...

      Now what!? Icy is gone, Rock is gone, Cydia lives... just like second Apple...

      I am not particularly against Cydia because i use it a lot... but please Give ROCK back to those who liked it!!! otherwise it is an unfair game...
      You registered in order to make this debut post?

      Please read the threads before you post things such as this. Just about every single thing you've stated has already been discussed by numerous members, if not by Saurik himself.

      Welcome to MMI, troll.
    1. fc97accord's Avatar
      fc97accord -
      Quote Originally Posted by Semferon View Post
      Why everybody tries to create monopoly?

      Congratulations saurik... do you feel better now that there are no other options left but cydia?

      Leave jailbreaking scene free... that was the point back in the days...

      you could enter a free world where nobody was setting rules... a world where you could choose on your own...

      Now what!? Icy is gone, Rock is gone, Cydia lives... just like second Apple...

      I am not particularly against Cydia because i use it a lot... but please Give ROCK back to those who liked it!!! otherwise it is an unfair game...
      It should not be considered a monopoly rather a community! It is a big difference.


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