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  • Cydia Acquires Rock.app


    It's been a year and a half since Rock Your Phone first made live their Rock.app store for 3rd party iPhone apps. Over the past few months, the folks who own both stores (Jay Freeman and Mario Ciabarra) have been working through a huge deal, which has come to public fruition tonight - Cydia is acquiring Rock. Well, technically, SaurikIT, LLC is acquiring Rock Your Phone, Inc (let's use correct business names here).

    Details of the acquisition have not been made public, but here's what it means to you: Rock.app will essentially dwindle away. There will be a transitional period for the next 10 days where users can purchase/download apps and licenses in Rock. After that, users will use their Cydia Store login to retrieve their purchased apps. The large majority of themes/apps from Rock will be moved over to Cydia (most are already there right now). Rock will have a notice on it's first page, and APT updates will discontinue in the near future (so Rock would be useless even if you had it). I chatted with Mario Ciabarra (CEO and founder of Rock Your Phone) and he had this to say about the acquisition:

    It's been a fun ride. We set out to change the landscape and I think we were very successful. I think we contributed to attracting more business professionals to the iPhone jailbreak community, and added some great functionality to the platform. The current transaction with Cydia is a great opportunity for us. We're going to miss some of the excitement, but no reason for anyone to worry. I, personally, will be spending even more time in Intelliborn apps development (both existing and exciting new projects). A few months ago, Jay and I sat down together and we realized, I enjoyed making apps more (and was better at it), while Jay enjoys providing platform functionality. It was a win-win for both groups and we're excited about the transition.
    Ciabarra, aka psuskeels, has been making jailbreak apps since very early on in the scene (Intelliscreen came out in May of 2008) - just a couple months after Cydia's February 2008 release. And while Intelliborn will still be a big player in the iPhone 3rd party apps scene, Rock will not. All the Intelliborn apps, like MyWi, Tlert, MyProfiles, My3G, Intelliscreen, etc will all remain available and development will be continued on them. They will all be available solely in Cydia now. In fact, this move means a total of over 21,000 iPhone extensions, apps, and themes are now in Cydia which are not available in the Apple AppStore.

    There's been a fierce undercurrent in many communities this past 18 months of "loyalty" to one of the two major jailbreak AppStores, with conversations in high gear lauding one or the other, bringing up this point or that point, etc. Many had both installed, and everyone had a preference. One thing can be said - it was a good run. You can't argue that Cydia isn't a more technically thorough solution, but the user experience of Rock.app was preferred by many. And the numbers are impressive - check these out from the Rock Your Phone news post about the acquisition:
    • Number of Developers with apps listed in the Rock Store: 124 (from 19 countries)
    • Unique iOS devices that installed Rock: 4.6 million (from 220 countries/territories) - Wow that is a lot of places!
    • Registered Rock Users: 2+ million
    • Number of App licenses sold: 500,000
    • Users of who took the plunge and bought something: 280,000 (from 185 countries)
    • Total Rock Your Phone Store revenue (March 12th, 2009 - September 2010): $3.3+ million
    • Number of Rock Employees (we are using the word employee loosely here but, hey, it is our company): 9

    After jailbreaking was officially declared legal in late July, there's been an even larger focus on the jailbreak community, or 3rd party iPhone developers. This acquisition makes Cydia and Cydia Store the clear leader in iPhone 3rd party package management. Exciting times ahead...

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Acquires Rock.app started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 474 Comments
    1. Leonick91's Avatar
      Leonick91 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tamkis View Post
      Oy! I really hope we use the rock-style installer; cydia sucks. Either that, or maybe Saurik and the Rock owner could work together to make an even better installer. Moving to cydia is the equivalent of downgrading, and makes me almost want to move to the icy installer. Whatever happened to Icy?
      Well if you had read trough some parts of this thread you would have found some discussions and answers about just that.

      Yes you will see a rock style installer in that cydia will have backups and comments and interface improvements are coming.
      But no you will not have a rock style if you talk about the way it gather updates, install packages and so on and there are plenty of good reasons for why...
    1. The_Durben's Avatar
      The_Durben -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tamkis View Post
      Oy! I really hope we use the rock-style installer; cydia sucks. Either that, or maybe Saurik and the Rock owner could work together to make an even better installer. Moving to cydia is the equivalent of downgrading, and makes me almost want to move to the icy installer. Whatever happened to Icy?
      I would say as users, we should all note one thing. You jailbreak your phone, you get cydia. Without cydia there would be no rock. Also to point out that all jailbreak methods incorporate cydia into it and install it on your phone. There is a lot to be said in this for the fact that if rock was so much better, why were devs not making a jailbreak that only installs rock. Sorry if I don't agree with you that cydia sucks but the bottom line here is that cydia is what made our phones what they are today.



      Sent from my iPhone using ModMyi
    1. Tamkis's Avatar
      Tamkis -
      Yeah, maybe I was being a little bit harsh on cydia. The last update (August 8th or something) I did for rock 1-2 weeks before mipod died (got wet ) screwed up permissions. A Bigboss fix fixed it, but mipod was forever slow and glitchy after that.

      I've heard that cydia has less disasterous updates than Rock has had. I guess that's a plus. Moreover, I can now back up SHSH blobs on the ipt, and can now access cydia AND rock store packages. Can't wait to eventually buy resupported4, SDManager, &c!

      I guess I will have to get used to this merger just like I have gotten used to the merger at my school; no use in complaining about it. Who knows, maybe I will begin to like it . Any installer is better than no installer, 4sure. I just hope future updates will make cydia more efficient than Rock (in terms of RAM use; rock ate RAM like a pig).
    1. sekazi's Avatar
      sekazi -
      When are all licenses going to finally merge. I want to uninstall Rock but cannot yet.
    1. area51crypto's Avatar
      area51crypto -
      This is very sad.

      I have been using Rock as a backup installer for Cydia when it fails.

      Rock has failed just one time for me and Cydia has failed 7 times.

      Everytime that Cydia has failed I simply reinstall through Rock or it Cydia has failed because of an app I can use Rock to uninstall the app when Rock is gone we are in big trouble as we will simply have to restore and rejailbreak and restore all apps really sucks.
    1. Trist@n's Avatar
      Trist@n -
      Okay...this is just an update/bug to the big switch over. I have themes purchased through ROCK that are now suppose to be transferred over to Cydia.

      The theme I use just had an update today and it failed to show as a new update in Cydia. This is not good for themers that have previously used ROCK because their customers will not be informed of a new update.

      I had a ROCK license for G.O.C. HD purchased through ROCK and all updates through version1.2 would show as a new update in ROCK. Tonight 1.3 was released and no update, no badge, no notification of any kind let me know that it was released and available.

      To top it off, I had to UNINSTALL my ROCK purchased version and reinstall the Cydia version. The install from Cydia did recognize my license and I was not required to repurchase.

      I just want all developers to be aware and to let those responsible that there are major bugs in this acquisition and users with ROCK licenses are NOT being informed of updates and required to uninstall and then reinstall...BAD for bidness if you ask me

      Hope this helps theme developers and users alike...Good Luck
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Trist@n View Post
      Okay...this is just an update/bug to the big switch over. I have themes purchased through ROCK that are now suppose to be transferred over to Cydia.

      The theme I use just had an update today and it failed to show as a new update in Cydia. This is not good for themers that have previously used ROCK because their customers will not be informed of a new update.

      I had a ROCK license for G.O.C. HD purchased through ROCK and all updates through version1.2 would show as a new update in ROCK. Tonight 1.3 was released and no update, no badge, no notification of any kind let me know that it was released and available.

      To top it off, I had to UNINSTALL my ROCK purchased version and reinstall the Cydia version. The install from Cydia did recognize my license and I was not required to repurchase.

      I just want all developers to be aware and to let those responsible that there are major bugs in this acquisition and users with ROCK licenses are NOT being informed of updates and required to uninstall and then reinstall...BAD for bidness if you ask me

      Hope this helps theme developers and users alike...Good Luck
      Of course you had to uninstall and reinstall the theme, it's best to just wipe the files clean and reinstall the cydia-specific version rather than having random rock related bits and pieces left laying around, this also helps to finalize the licensing transfers.

      Now, when you reinstalled this app did Cydia install v1.3 for you or were you still getting v1.2 (but now a proper Cydia licensed version)?

      I thought it had been mentioned by Saurik that Rock purchases would need to be reinstalled for Cydia but I could be wrong. I do know that when I uninstalled Rock on my iPhone as well as my father's, Cydia automatically uninstalled MyWi and Rock and then automatically reinstalled MyWi (this is the only Rock app either of us have).

      Regardless, I wouldn't look at this as a big deal or as being "bad for bidness" whatsoever. This is merely a growing pain, things will smooth out very soon.
    1. Trist@n's Avatar
      Trist@n -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      Of course you had to uninstall and reinstall the theme, it's best to just wipe the files clean and reinstall the cydia-specific version rather than having random rock related bits and pieces left laying around, this also helps to finalize the licensing transfers.

      Now, when you reinstalled this app did Cydia install v1.3 for you or were you still getting v1.2 (but now a proper Cydia licensed version)?

      I thought it had been mentioned by Saurik that Rock purchases would need to be reinstalled for Cydia but I could be wrong. I do know that when I uninstalled Rock on my iPhone as well as my father's, Cydia automatically uninstalled MyWi and Rock and then automatically reinstalled MyWi (this is the only Rock app either of us have).

      Regardless, I wouldn't look at this as a big deal or as being "bad for bidness" whatsoever. This is merely a growing pain, things will smooth out very soon.
      I don't have a problem uninstalling or reinstalling apps, after all I am a beta tester and this is an every day occurrence.

      My whole point to the post is that developers, themers, and customers need to be aware that ROCK licensed apps and themes do not reveal that there are updates available until AFTER you reinstall.

      Yes, ver. 1.3 installed and everything worked normally AFTER I was informed by my developer that ver. 1.3 was available and he wanted me to validate the uninstall/reinstall and licensing. IMO, there is a bug in NOTIFICATION of new version updates for ROCK apps.

      I have read all 27+ pages and have not seen this mentioned. I am NOT slamming anyone and have used both Stores equally. I have never had a problem or crash using Cydia or Rock. Both stores have their strengths and weaknesses but are still able to accomplish the mission which is to give us the FREEDOM that is denied by Apple.

      Given time, patience and understanding, I know that Saurik will combine the best of both worlds and provide a super product for the jailbroken world!
    1. AznDragonV's Avatar
      AznDragonV -
      Ok I just updated rock. And now it is just a page that pretty much says what this thread says. Will Cydia have a way to store a backup of our jailbrokken apps like rock did? And allow us to restore from backup if we have to restore and rejailbreak?
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by azndragonv View Post
      ok i just updated rock. And now it is just a page that pretty much says what this thread says. Will cydia have a way to store a backup of our jailbrokken apps like rock did? And allow us to restore from backup if we have to restore and rejailbreak?
      read the thread!
    1. Zenitram's Avatar
      Zenitram -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      ...

      I thought it had been mentioned by Saurik that Rock purchases would need to be reinstalled for Cydia but I could be wrong. I do know that when I uninstalled Rock on my iPhone as well as my father's, Cydia automatically uninstalled MyWi and Rock and then automatically reinstalled MyWi (this is the only Rock app either of us have).

      ...

      I've read the whole thread and I don't remember reading about having to reinstall from Cydia. Can anyone confirm that it's now okay to delete Rock and if so, do you need to then redownload/install the apps you got from Rock? Thanks!
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Zenitram View Post
      I've read the whole thread and I don't remember reading about having to reinstall from Cydia. Can anyone confirm that it's now okay to delete Rock and if so, do you need to then redownload/install the apps you got from Rock? Thanks!
      Rock is officially dead. Try launching the app, it even says it's dead.
    1. EP1808's Avatar
      EP1808 -
      This really does concern me, i have used Rock app on my 3gs for some time now. The best feature rock had was the ability to make a back up list of your apps, so when you restore you don't have to reinstall 50 apps over 3 hours. As long as Cydia/Saurik makes this same feature I'm all good to go? But if they don't then cydia will fail again. This is your chance to make Cydia the **** Saurik, hope you don't blow it!
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by EP1808 View Post
      This really does concern me, i have used Rock app on my 3gs for some time now. The best feature rock had was the ability to make a back up list of your apps, so when you restore you don't have to reinstall 50 apps over 3 hours. As long as Cydia/Saurik makes this same feature I'm all good to go? But if they don't then cydia will fail again. This is your chance to make Cydia the **** Saurik, hope you don't blow it!
      Try reading for a change.
    1. confucious's Avatar
      confucious -
      Quote Originally Posted by turncoat View Post
      Confucious want to chime in here? I do remember your voice implying that jailbreak was charity work.
      From Saurik:

      Jay Freeman (saurik) says: September 21, 2010 at 3:37 am
      I do not understand why people think I make money off of ads in Cydia: I run like three ads. 99.99% of the ads you see in Cydia, the ones that are posted on packages that I don’t host, have nothing to do with me: the money from those goes to the repositories.

      Also, I really seriously do make so much less money doing Cydia than I did consulting (which I could go back to doing at the drop of a hat) it hurts. If I calculated out my hourly right now I’m probably not even making minimum wage. I do this because I care about this movement, but I’m really getting tired of being berated by /everyone/ that I’m somehow in this for the money.

      I work on this project nearly all of my waking hours, whether it is something random and technical that no one even realizes I did (like the work I did today on the icon scraper that was affecting some packages) to talking to every single person I can at conferences that I go to, despite being sufficiently introverted that I’d rather go crawl into a ball and die in the corner.

      So, if you want to tell me “Cydia needs work on X”, by all means do so, but know that I probably either know of X and are working on it or after two years of deliberation believe X to be a mistake (in which case, X may in fact have been a feature of Cydia two years ago and has since been removed, such as “don’t respring until the app is closed”, which everyone wants but really causes all kinds of horrible problems).

      But, if you want to just sit around and whine that I’m somehow going out of my way to screw you out of your money, you are totally wrong and are just being mean and insulting, and if enough of you really want to believe that then this movement has failed and I should give up and go back to doing a real job for real money rather than wasting my life trying to push it forward .

      (Also: people seem to be mistaking “monopoly” with “community”, which is a pity. Cydia is open source, and there are now even more people who are working on improving it. Why people believe that instead of everyone working together to make a single thing great we should be spending all of our time fighting each other and fracturing our efforts is totally a weird concept to me.)
      Source RIP Rock Your Phone
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      ^Yeah, he had a few good posts on that page when I read it this morning. He sure is much better at just letting things slide off his back than I am. I'd have gone back to my old job long ago if I were in his position.
    1. sekazi's Avatar
      sekazi -
      I purchased FastSnap on Rock and since the Rock update it no longer works. Also when I tried what was recommended by uninstalling and reinstalling I found out FastSnap does not even exist on Cydia. I want my money back or give me SnapTap for free.

      And for gods sake create a standard Cydia login for account management and purchases. This whole log into you facebook or google account is ********.
    1. saurik's Avatar
      saurik -
      Quote Originally Posted by sph View Post
      MyWi (or Intelliborn products) listing is very nice in Cydia after the aquisition. You can see description, screenshots, changelog, etc., in one page rather than tapping different options to see all this information. I really appreciate it :)

      How about publishing this as a Cydia standard for listing all the applications? If repository owners/maintainers like the standard, they will use it, but Cydia did publish it standards.

      You can also display a message in the app/theme whether the listing confirms to the standards or not. This will avoid a lot of confusion for users why each listing is different. And also users/devs can put pressure on repos to stick to the Standards published
      I really don't think this is my place. Even if it were, I am very confident I would be ignored. Even if I were not, I am not 100% certain that that specific layout really makes the most sense. I recommend lobbying the repositories: there are only three of them. Finally, I do not feel like most developers appreciate the value of those web pages (if you did, you'd see more of them host their own).

      Quote Originally Posted by badpenguin View Post
      I just logged into cydia via my gmail account and noticed you want access to my "friends list and updates" in addition to my email address. Why is that? I would prefer cydia to not have access beyond what is needed to tie my account to purchases.
      On the e-mail address front, I really need your e-mail address. Without asking for your e-mail address there there is absolutely no way to debug anything wrong with your account. I get requests all the time like "can you find my account? I'm [email protected]", and my answer without asking for your e-mail address is "I am sorry, but it is impossible to look up your account unless you log in, and as you are claiming you can't log in and that's what you need help with, we are both screwed". With Google your e-mail address is your account login, so they kind of go hand in hand.

      As for "friends lists", this is a throwback to the social networking features that I had been building into Cydia a year and a half ago when I was going to be launching this really epic comments/rating platform. That said, you should be able to just click "no thanks". HOWEVER, and I seriously only found out about this a few days ago (and I'm really sorry about that), it turns out that clicking "no thanks" doesn't even work.

      What is really hilarious about this is that there was an outstanding bug in the login mechanism where "some people simply can't log in using Google accounts: this error message is logged; its like 200 OK... cancel...", and now I know it is because people click "no thanks" and Google somehow doesn't honor my "this isn't actually required" flag. This will be fixed, hopefully in the near future, but I can make no promises: I may have put myself into some horrible corner case where I have obsolete login tokens that would be damaged if I logged them in with a different scope; we'll see.

      Quote Originally Posted by fc97accord View Post
      I will admit I do enjoy the fruits of this community, but inevitable when money is involved things get complicated.
      For the record, chpwn has not asked to be paid for his work on Cydia: he is a volunteer working on the experience of an open source project.

      Quote Originally Posted by Trist@n View Post
      Okay...this is just an update/bug to the big switch over. I have themes purchased through ROCK that are now suppose to be transferred over to Cydia.

      The theme I use just had an update today and it failed to show as a new update in Cydia. This is not good for themers that have previously used ROCK because their customers will not be informed of a new update.

      I had a ROCK license for G.O.C. HD purchased through ROCK and all updates through version1.2 would show as a new update in ROCK. Tonight 1.3 was released and no update, no badge, no notification of any kind let me know that it was released and available.

      To top it off, I had to UNINSTALL my ROCK purchased version and reinstall the Cydia version. The install from Cydia did recognize my license and I was not required to repurchase.

      I just want all developers to be aware and to let those responsible that there are major bugs in this acquisition and users with ROCK licenses are NOT being informed of updates and required to uninstall and then reinstall...BAD for bidness if you ask me:(:(:(
      Quote Originally Posted by Trist@n View Post
      I don't have a problem uninstalling or reinstalling apps, after all I am a beta tester and this is an every day occurrence.

      My whole point to the post is that developers, themers, and customers need to be aware that ROCK licensed apps and themes do not reveal that there are updates available until AFTER you reinstall.

      Yes, ver. 1.3 installed and everything worked normally AFTER I was informed by my developer that ver. 1.3 was available and he wanted me to validate the uninstall/reinstall and licensing. IMO, there is a bug in NOTIFICATION of new version updates for ROCK apps.

      This is because the package id of that package changed. ModMyi is responsible for these package ids, but frankly I am more than willing to believe that there were numerous other concerns that came in to play as to why Kyle chose that different package id for this package in particular (most of the packages Kyle has chosen the "correct" package id for). I am glad that you did not run into any licensing issues: the incorrect package id also caused that mechanism to not work, but this was noticed and fixed pseudo-manually.

      Quote Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
      I purchased FastSnap on Rock and since the Rock update it no longer works. Also when I tried what was recommended by uninstalling and reinstalling I found out FastSnap does not even exist on Cydia. I want my money back or give me SnapTap for free.
      I do not know why this would have broken, but unfortunately I am not in charge of those updates: I do not understand how the Rock licensing mechanism worked in implementation. As for FastSnap being in Cydia, that should happen in the near future, and I really do apologize for the issue: I am working with the repositories and those specific developers to figure out what to do about their products.

      Quote Originally Posted by sekazi View Post
      And for gods sake create a standard Cydia login for account management and purchases. This whole log into you facebook or google account is ********.
      Most of the support issues with one-off account mechanisms rapidly become "I lost my password". Having users log in using external accounts like Google or Facebook is awesome for users, because it means that you have multi-billion dollar companies handling your login-related support requests. Please provide actual reasons why this is "********".

      Quote Originally Posted by Avalanchenut View Post
      Well I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. I only have one gmail account and one facebook account, which are the two options to use. I have tried both and neither work for pkgbackup. I have been able to recover all others apps I have purhcased and I have even emailed you a copy of the transaction from paypal showing that I paid an all. I have never had but one gmail account and like I said it was able to get all other apps that I purhcased but the one from above. With what I am reading it seems like you just don't care or want to help me with recovering the app. Thanks for all the wonderful help. Oh and heres the kicker even the developer tried emailing you on my behalf and we never got any resposne from you so his suggestion was to purchase the app again and request a refund from you since I was able to prove to him as well that I paid for the app but can't get it to show that I purhcased it on cydia.

      To add more I just tried installing the app on my old 3gs that I sold to a buddy of mine and it lets me download it and install it. So this leades me to believe that it is there just not letting me link it to my gmail account that I have used for all app purchases on cydia.
      Look, I hate to break this to you, but you purchased this product with your Facebook account: every other product you purchased you purchased with your Google account, but this one in particular was made with your Facebook account. Please: do not shoot the messenger here. :(

      Meanwhile, I have absolutely no record of you trying to log in with that Facebook account on your new iPhone 4: had you at least tried doing this you would have had no trouble. (Which is maybe to be expected, as you seem to have been adamant with the developer that you purchased it with your Gmail account.)

      For the record, the reason that this package is showing up on your old device is because it is linked to your Facebook account. If you simply go into Cydia and log in with the account you used to make your purchase you will be able to make this download. I have gone to immense lengths to build a mechanism whereby it is nearly impossible to have an actual payment-related issue.

      My real hope, therefore, with improving support in the future, is to be able to more rapidly be able to send form e-mails to users that say things like "I am sorry, but you are logging in with the wrong account: please make certain to log in with the same account that you used to purchase the product".

      Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Matthews View Post
      To this day I have not been given any documentation on Cydia Store's roster or checkapi feature which allows developers to view/check who has legitimately purchased their packages, although I do know we are able to get them should we request.
      For the record, I know you have documentation on these features. On July 27th of 2009 I have logs of you teaching someone how to use the roster API, and your repository itself is using the check API in order to validate purchases before allowing downloads (which means you must have some rather detailed knowledge of how that API works). ;P

      Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Matthews View Post
      The general rule of thumb on Cydia Store features seems to be "saurik may mention it in IRC, has BigBoss or himself test it, and assumes everyone else should magically know it from then on out."
      Interesting... from my perspective that is actually why we have that particular IRC channel, and is also the reason why I require all default repositories to have representation in it: so that features of the Cydia backend that are discussed are known and available to all parties.

      I do, therefore, actually assume that you have full knowledge of what is discussed on that channel and that you keep track of the discussions at least weekly. (This is actually a major reason why iSpazio, who often was not present on that channel due to various issues was considered "not setup for paid packages".)

      Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Matthews View Post
      I have never had any direct communication about this, and am certainly not against looking into making it happen. Do you have these automatic scripts or are you asking us to develop them? Either option is feasible, I'm just wondering since this is literally the first I've heard this suggestion.
      This was discussed, with all repositories present, on our IRC channel. During the argument, where it was stated "I do not have time to develop such scripts" I typed a one-liner off the top of my head to the channel that did most of the work... I got rather bitter pushback.

      Seriously: if you felt differently it would have been very valuable for you to have said so at the time: I believe that everyone assumes that people who abstain from particular discussions are voting either a) "this isn't worth my time" or b) "I agree with the status quo".

      Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
      Seriously: if you felt differently it would have been very valuable for you to have said so at the time: I believe that everyone assumes that people who abstain from particular discussions are voting either a) "this isn't worth my time" or b) "I agree with the status quo".
      (If nothing else, I would really appreciate it if you'd do it as a personal favor to me: I think it would drastically improve the quality of everyone's experience if you really were on board with things like this. If this really comes down to a misunderstanding along the lines of "we had different notions of the value of that IRC channel we are in" I think that this new understanding will really change a lot of things for the community. ;P)
    1. quidam_brujah's Avatar
      quidam_brujah -
      not sure where to post this:
      I haven't been able to make a purchase on the Cydia store for the past two days. I sign in with Google, set the amazon pay limit, and it hangs at 'loading' after entering in my amazon account... paypal works, but I'd rather not use them.
    1. philly0429's Avatar
      philly0429 -
      So should I just go ahead and remove Rock from my packages?