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  • Cydia Acquires Rock.app


    It's been a year and a half since Rock Your Phone first made live their Rock.app store for 3rd party iPhone apps. Over the past few months, the folks who own both stores (Jay Freeman and Mario Ciabarra) have been working through a huge deal, which has come to public fruition tonight - Cydia is acquiring Rock. Well, technically, SaurikIT, LLC is acquiring Rock Your Phone, Inc (let's use correct business names here).

    Details of the acquisition have not been made public, but here's what it means to you: Rock.app will essentially dwindle away. There will be a transitional period for the next 10 days where users can purchase/download apps and licenses in Rock. After that, users will use their Cydia Store login to retrieve their purchased apps. The large majority of themes/apps from Rock will be moved over to Cydia (most are already there right now). Rock will have a notice on it's first page, and APT updates will discontinue in the near future (so Rock would be useless even if you had it). I chatted with Mario Ciabarra (CEO and founder of Rock Your Phone) and he had this to say about the acquisition:

    It's been a fun ride. We set out to change the landscape and I think we were very successful. I think we contributed to attracting more business professionals to the iPhone jailbreak community, and added some great functionality to the platform. The current transaction with Cydia is a great opportunity for us. We're going to miss some of the excitement, but no reason for anyone to worry. I, personally, will be spending even more time in Intelliborn apps development (both existing and exciting new projects). A few months ago, Jay and I sat down together and we realized, I enjoyed making apps more (and was better at it), while Jay enjoys providing platform functionality. It was a win-win for both groups and we're excited about the transition.
    Ciabarra, aka psuskeels, has been making jailbreak apps since very early on in the scene (Intelliscreen came out in May of 2008) - just a couple months after Cydia's February 2008 release. And while Intelliborn will still be a big player in the iPhone 3rd party apps scene, Rock will not. All the Intelliborn apps, like MyWi, Tlert, MyProfiles, My3G, Intelliscreen, etc will all remain available and development will be continued on them. They will all be available solely in Cydia now. In fact, this move means a total of over 21,000 iPhone extensions, apps, and themes are now in Cydia which are not available in the Apple AppStore.

    There's been a fierce undercurrent in many communities this past 18 months of "loyalty" to one of the two major jailbreak AppStores, with conversations in high gear lauding one or the other, bringing up this point or that point, etc. Many had both installed, and everyone had a preference. One thing can be said - it was a good run. You can't argue that Cydia isn't a more technically thorough solution, but the user experience of Rock.app was preferred by many. And the numbers are impressive - check these out from the Rock Your Phone news post about the acquisition:
    • Number of Developers with apps listed in the Rock Store: 124 (from 19 countries)
    • Unique iOS devices that installed Rock: 4.6 million (from 220 countries/territories) - Wow that is a lot of places!
    • Registered Rock Users: 2+ million
    • Number of App licenses sold: 500,000
    • Users of who took the plunge and bought something: 280,000 (from 185 countries)
    • Total Rock Your Phone Store revenue (March 12th, 2009 - September 2010): $3.3+ million
    • Number of Rock Employees (we are using the word employee loosely here but, hey, it is our company): 9

    After jailbreaking was officially declared legal in late July, there's been an even larger focus on the jailbreak community, or 3rd party iPhone developers. This acquisition makes Cydia and Cydia Store the clear leader in iPhone 3rd party package management. Exciting times ahead...

    This article was originally published in forum thread: Cydia Acquires Rock.app started by Kyle Matthews View original post
    Comments 474 Comments
    1. toyvan's Avatar
      toyvan -
      OK, so I have read EVERY post in this thread(this morning in bed on my iPad ) - This may seem like a "selfish" post, but I'm sure there are more than a few others that share the same concerns.

      I have been a Rock supporter, customer, and developer since day one. I even designed all the icons for the different categories(bet nobody knew that )I believe competition is healthy and it makes people think "outside-of-the-box" to better their products and service. So I was clearly excited when Rock came on the scene.

      Now, as a theme creator/developer Rock has been simply incredible! Here are just a few of MY reasons, as a developer, not an average user who just cares about the UI and loading speed.

      1. Developer support. I can email Mario, Glenn or Tom directly and get a response within 24 hours, sometimes sooner! I have emailed, sent texts, got on IRC chat, twittered, facebooked, and even called Saurik NUMEROUS times over the last 18 months, with not even one single reply!(btw, his phone# is publicly posted on his website, I didn't call the FBI). I have literally felt like a stalker! lol!(maybe he called the FBI??!?) My point is, if this is the kind of support and communication I have to look forward to>>>>>>>!! And to top it off Saurik replies to someone on here in less thasn 10 minutes?!?!?!?! ..nuff said.

      2. The developer portal is a MUST have. The ability to check sales stats 24/7, great! I can give out promotional licenses to anyone I choose..perfect! Monthly statements..word! Customer database..woohoo! This has been an invaluable tool for me and I don't see how I can run my "business" without it!

      3. Theme promotion. Let's face it, theme's get no love in Cydia! Don't get me wrong, there are GREAT themes available on Cydia, however it is littered with a bunch of crap that is crappier than crap! The theme section in Cydia hasn't been updated for over a year!!(is it that obvious I'm a theme creator? ). Yes, I may be bias on this because my themes have done VERY well on Rock, and have had a lot of publicity on their home page, but from what I've read on here, I'm not the only one. I am willing to bet that the "average" user who jailbreaks, does it so they can theme their device! NOBODY WANTS THEIR IPHONE TO LOOK LIKE IT DOES OTB!!!! And if their is someone out there who does, you're a screwdriver short of a tool-box!

      There are probably more things I could add to this list, but that will suffice for now. Rock has been very good to me and I will miss the relationship I have had with Mario and crew. I just hope that Jay, will be more pro-active in his relationships with developers, or hire someone who will(**raises his hand**). I told you this would be a somewhat "selfish" post, so if you desire to respond, please choose your words wisely...Cheers!

      -ToyVan
    1. Jmataska's Avatar
      Jmataska -
      Aight, I've read every post on this thread for the last hour (Its addicting lol). And I know that licenses will be transferred to Cydia from Rock. My question is this: Within the last two weeks, my old 3G quit working and I grabbed an iPhone 4. My 3G was jailbroken and had my favorite app ever, MyWi 4.0. When a jailbreak does come out for iOS 4.1, will my license for MyWi carry over or will I have to purchase it once again, since I am on a different phone? Keep in mind that Im not anal or upset, it does not bother me to buy it again, that app freaking rocks! Just curious as to if I needed to do anything particular when I am able to jalbreak again. Thanks in advance.
    1. punjabi212's Avatar
      punjabi212 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Greengirl319 View Post
      Ok how do i download this rock and cydia stuff? I really want to jailbreak my ipod but i have no luck with computers. I tried using jailbreakme but i needed it downgraded but i dont know how to di that either! Some one please tell me the easiet way to jailbreak my ipod with 4.0.2!!!!
      It's not possible to jailbreak when your on 4.0.2.
    1. JayQuint87's Avatar
      JayQuint87 -
      This is going to affect me deeply I think...As of now all my theme's are available only on Rock.
      I hope Cydia will produce a developer dashboard and experience that RockApp has provided.

      Wow...Maybe it will be for the better...bigger customer base, but damn..I really liked the way RockApp conducted its business.
      Fast, Professional, and User friendly.


      I guess we will see.
    1. RileyFreeman's Avatar
      RileyFreeman -
      cydia can definitely benefit from a cleaner nicer look. which they probably will work on once they finish merging everything.
    1. Jmataska's Avatar
      Jmataska -
      Quote Originally Posted by Greengirl319 View Post
      Ok how do i download this rock and cydia stuff? I really want to jailbreak my ipod but i have no luck with computers. I tried using jailbreakme but i needed it downgraded but i dont know how to di that either! Some one please tell me the easiet way to jailbreak my ipod with 4.0.2!!!!
      Now is when patience kicks in It wont be long for a 4.1 JB.
    1. mortopher's Avatar
      mortopher -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jmataska View Post
      Aight, I've read every post on this thread for the last hour (Its addicting lol). And I know that licenses will be transferred to Cydia from Rock. My question is this: Within the last two weeks, my old 3G quit working and I grabbed an iPhone 4. My 3G was jailbroken and had my favorite app ever, MyWi 4.0. When a jailbreak does come out for iOS 4.1, will my license for MyWi carry over or will I have to purchase it once again, since I am on a different phone? Keep in mind that Im not anal or upset, it does not bother me to buy it again, that app freaking rocks! Just curious as to if I needed to do anything particular when I am able to jalbreak again. Thanks in advance.
      You should have to just login to your account on cydia like normal and it will be marked as purchased. I already deleted mywi and reinstalled it with just cydia and it was marked as purchased.
    1. Nickaroni22's Avatar
      Nickaroni22 -
      Bitter/Sweet
    1. Jmataska's Avatar
      Jmataska -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      You should have to just login to your account on cydia like normal and it will be marked as purchased. I already deleted mywi and reinstalled it with just cydia and it was marked as purchased.
      Thank ya sir.
    1. JayQuint87's Avatar
      JayQuint87 -
      Quote Originally Posted by toyvan View Post
      OK, so I have read EVERY post in this thread(this morning in bed on my iPad ) - This may seem like a "selfish" post, but I'm sure there are more than a few others that share the same concerns.

      I have been a Rock supporter, customer, and developer since day one. I even designed all the icons for the different categories(bet nobody knew that )I believe competition is healthy and it makes people think "outside-of-the-box" to better their products and service. So I was clearly excited when Rock came on the scene.

      Now, as a theme creator/developer Rock has been simply incredible! Here are just a few of MY reasons, as a developer, not an average user who just cares about the UI and loading speed.

      1. Developer support. I can email Mario, Glenn or Tom directly and get a response within 24 hours, sometimes sooner! I have emailed, sent texts, got on IRC chat, twittered, facebooked, and even called Saurik NUMEROUS times over the last 18 months, with not even one single reply!(btw, his phone# is publicly posted on his website, I didn't call the FBI). I have literally felt like a stalker! lol!(maybe he called the FBI??!?) My point is, if this is the kind of support and communication I have to look forward to>>>>>>>!! And to top it off Saurik replies to someone on here in less thasn 10 minutes?!?!?!?! ..nuff said.

      2. The developer portal is a MUST have. The ability to check sales stats 24/7, great! I can give out promotional licenses to anyone I choose..perfect! This has been an invaluable tool for me and I don't see how I can run my "business" without it!

      3. Theme promotion. Let's face it, theme's get no love in Cydia! Don't get me wrong, there are GREAT themes available on Cydia, however it is littered with a bunch of crap that is crappier than crap! The theme section in Cydia hasn't been updated for over a year!!(is it that obvious I'm a theme creator? ). Yes, I may be bias on this because my themes have done VERY well on Rock, and have had a lot of publicity on their home page, but from what I've read on here, I'm not the only one. I am willing to bet that the "average" user who jailbreaks, does it so they can theme their device! NOBODY WANTS THEIR IPHONE TO LOOK LIKE IT DOES OTB!!!! And if their is someone out there who does, you're a screwdriver short of a tool-box!

      There are probably more things I could add to this list, but that will suffice for now. Rock has been very good to me and I will miss the relationship I have had with Mario and crew. I just hope that Jay, will be more pro-active in his relationships with developers, or hire someone who will(**raises his hand**). I told you this would be a somewhat "selfish" post, so if you desire to respond, please choose your words wisely...Cheers!

      -ToyVan

      Exactly.

      Sauik, My theme/themes has been in the Cydia approval process for 36days. Rock got it done in 5.
    1. santacruzlocal's Avatar
      santacruzlocal -
      Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
      Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.
      You bought something that was "Sloppy" ... That isn't a good business plan. Or could it be that Rock was only going to get better? Its not bad business to say that your competition was getting to big and you wanted to buy them out.

      I think this was a good move but don't bash the product that you just bought.

      I hope that The Rock crew does keeps developing apps, they have make some of the best.
    1. Turb02's Avatar
      Turb02 -
      So how do you create a cydia account for all the paid rock apps(transfer licenses)?
    1. toaster99's Avatar
      toaster99 -
      Wow this sucks, I love Rock, Cydia is a slow, prehistoric looking piece of crap. The developer seriously needs to completely rewrite Cydia before it can even be considered somewhat useful.
    1. zeroskater61's Avatar
      zeroskater61 -
      I never did like RoCK Your Phone but I got it any way. Found a few apps I liked and wanted so I downloaded and installed. But I had to buy the full license feature so I did but I never received the full license key code to fully activate the apps I purchased. Emailed the developer but no reply emailed rock but no reply. So now I personally don't like the RoCK.app
    1. SnR's Avatar
      SnR -
      Cydia > Rock
      It's always been like that. Glad to see Cydia is now the only installer now.
    1. miggyme's Avatar
      miggyme -
      Pretty big news... Awesome, can't wait to see "times ahead"
    1. Aliquippakid's Avatar
      Aliquippakid -
      Man I wander If these stores give the dev team a cut? Makin that much money and the guys makin it possible to install them are doing so for free or charity. I'd def give those guys a cut even if it's just beer money. Who knows they might even be too humble to accept a actual payroll from jailbreaking even if it was offered.
    1. Alpha4's Avatar
      Alpha4 -
      Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
      Aside from K.nits and a handful of others, the past 50 - 75 posts make me sick. The level of ignorant entitlement displayed by members of this site is pathetic. Want, want, want! If you bothered to pull your head out of your tail and read, you would notice that Saurik himself has posted on here and addressed, if not disproven, basically every single issue that y'all have whined about. iPhone 3G users complaining about speed! Now that is just funny.
      I'm sorry to p*ss on your Wheatyflakes, but we purchase (with real money) Apps from Cydia and when we use Cydia we view paid-for advertising.

      Our entitlement is is based on the fact that we are paying customers. Cydia is a business, not a charity. We are not getting free stuff.

      Do you subscribe to the view that 'the customer is always right'?
      I bet you are just as quick to excercise your own consumer rights (entitlement) as the rest of us.
    1. qgshadow's Avatar
      qgshadow -
      Quote Originally Posted by garbs View Post
      I don't use Rock, but this is kind of disappointing. Competition is a good thing, and saurik hasn't exactly been speedy with the updates lately as it is. We still don't even have a Cydia icon that's made for the retina display...
      wtf are you talking about, Saurik updated cydia for the iphone 4 before the jailbreak was out... the icon has been updated since iphone 4 was jailbroken.

      and what do you want him to upgrade...? everything works fine.

      Dont change something that works.
    1. politicalslug's Avatar
      politicalslug -
      Quote Originally Posted by Apple. View Post
      for those of you complaining about the User interface..

      id rather have a excellently coded package manager that looks simple
      than have a very sloppy, buggy juiced up looking packing manager

      Rock has always caused problems, cydia has been my #1 app since it has came out.

      Dont judge a book by its cover.
      You are nuts. You're just iterating FUD. Nothing more. Rock had backups, ratings & reviews, and cached repos (for faster startup). Now that Cydia has a monopoly once again we, the users, are stuck with nearly the same version of Cydia we got back in 2008. The interface is just as important as the underlying platform. That's what users interact with. You all own iPhones because of the superior whole package, not because of technical superiority in the underlying code.