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  • About Those VeriPhone Rumors...


    Rumors are not news, I know… but when enough reports come together, all pointing in the same direction, then at a given point it's worth stopping and taking a look at what it all adds up to. If you're bored by all the rumor talk (and believe me, I'm pretty sick of it myself), please accept my apologies, and don't click the MORE link. For the sake of some folks out there, though - people who are wondering if they should buy an iPhone 4 now, for example, or if they should extend their AT&T contract - let's look at what the evidence there is for a Verizon iPhone in 2011.

    Verizon Wireless - just to review - uses a different telephony standard from AT&T and the other big US carriers. All current iPhones use GSM, so there would need to be a different device to work on Verizon's CDMA network. According to many observers, Apple has been working on an iPhone compatible with the largets US network for a long time now. In particular, John Gruber - who has a lot of inside sources and is so reliably pro-Apple that some people think that Steve Jobs pays him off - has been saying for a while that "Apple has a skunkworks CDMA iPhone project" like the skunkworks Intel Mac project back in the day when Mac OS X only ran on PowerPC.

    Gruber went further this week and specifically identified the CDMA iPhone by the Apple codename N92 (the iPhone 4, you may remember, was called N89 before its release). The phone, he says, is in Engineering Verification Test phase, which is limited to testing of one-off units inside the company. DVT, or Design Verification Test phase, is when Apple employees take phones out in the world (and lose them, sometimes). So if the CDMA phone takes that next step, it means the wheels need to already be turning for production in China.

    Bolstering this idea, TechCrunch's Steve Cheney reported at the beginning of the week that Apple is ordering millions of CDMA chips from Qualcomm. If Gruber is right that the VeriPhone is in EVT, then Apple would need to place that order right about now to have production ready by the end of the year. And as Michael reported the same day, leaks from the Asian manufacturing industry independently corroborated this story, and are indicating that a CDMA phone (possibly made of Apple's new Magic Metal) will be built by Pegatron for Verizon and China Telecom.

    Also this week, we learned that AT&T revealed in a filing to the SEC that it's warning its investors about possible negative effects when "exclusivity arrangements end" for popular smartphones. Since the iPhone is the only AT&T-exclusive smartphone that can be considered "popular," it's pretty clear what they were referring to. Big companies don't risk upsetting their investors for no reason. And finally, another piece of the puzzle came with the announcement this week that Verizon Chief Executive Officer Ivan Seidenberg had been selected to give the high-profile keynote address at the 2011 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas next January. The head of the big electronics confab said he'd be looking forward to hear about "Verizon’s next generation of products," which could certainly include a certain popular smartphone currently only available on a certain unpopular carrier.

    As Yogi Berra said, "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." We don't really know whether any of these reports are true, obviously. However, if you think you can wait until January for your next phone, and won't owe AT&T a huge early termination fee… it might not be a bad idea to wait and see what happens.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: About Those VeriPhone Rumors... started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 87 Comments
    1. T4R06's Avatar
      T4R06 -
      who the **** is john gruber! is he a god or what.. i always see his name everywhere..

      seriously..
    1. XFaega's Avatar
      XFaega -
      Quote Originally Posted by Trooper Sam View Post
      China has an enormous base of CDMA users. That market alone would make it a good business decision.
      That was what I was going to point out. China has the biggest market for cell phones and majority of China is on CDMA. So ya maybe verizon will get the i4. But what makes me thinking no for Verizon is the difference in CDMA band from China. Also I'm sure Apple wouldn't just make a special i4 for just Verizon.
    1. RICO_'s Avatar
      RICO_ -
      So what happens to AT&T when the iPhone goes free? Better network service due to decreased load and strain on their network? Or financial troubles from all the people that will jump ship? Lower prices for competition purposes perhaps?
    1. J_Marley's Avatar
      J_Marley -
      Quote Originally Posted by RICO_ View Post
      So what happens to AT&T when the iPhone goes free? Better network service due to decreased load and strain on their network? Or financial troubles from all the people that will jump ship? Lower prices for competition purposes perhaps?
      Chances are at the start not a whole lot. I'm sure a lot of people would love to jump ship from AT&T and take their iPhones with them to a company like Verizon or other similar carrier, but for some that just won't be possible. In some markets, Verizon does not have the authorization to sell their service. Also, no matter how many people complain, there are a good portion of those that are doing it because that's what everyone else is doing as well. Seems strange, but that's part of the consumer world for you. I think if a change happens, it won't be immediate.
    1. bftiedt's Avatar
      bftiedt -
      Doesn't sprint run CDMA also? Wouldn't that be a shocker if all this CDMA talk was for a sprint phone not a verizon
    1. DayumQuitPlayin's Avatar
      DayumQuitPlayin -
      I'd prefer if Sprint gets the iPhone. So far they have the best plans and it would certainly help them since they seem to be struggling. I highly doubt everyone would jump to Verizon. Verizon is notorious for their over-priced rates and figuring since AT&T has had the iPhone for years, Verizone isn't too experienced with dealing with the demand of iPhones and data. Voice and Data isn't possible on Verizon's network and that's a key selling point with the iPhone. It's going to be interesting to see how they would manage that. LTE technology isn't available yet to. Aside from all this, I'm really looking forward to the competitive rates! Sadly, I'm locked into AT&T for two more years.
    1. rhekt's Avatar
      rhekt -
      This was prob the most detail oriented of all the rumor stories. And actually bearable to read. Thanks dan
    1. leathelisor's Avatar
      leathelisor -
      omigod a verizon rumor with sources!?!?!?!?!?! o yeah.....it wasn't messany
    1. PSYC0TIC ONE's Avatar
      PSYC0TIC ONE -
      Quote Originally Posted by J_Marley View Post
      Chances are at the start not a whole lot. I'm sure a lot of people would love to jump ship from AT&T and take their iPhones with them to a company like Verizon or other similar carrier, but for some that just won't be possible. In some markets, Verizon does not have the authorization to sell their service. Also, no matter how many people complain, there are a good portion of those that are doing it because that's what everyone else is doing as well. Seems strange, but that's part of the consumer world for you. I think if a change happens, it won't be immediate.
      Amen homie... couldn't have said it better myself...
    1. Bluemoldycheeze88's Avatar
      Bluemoldycheeze88 -
      IMO, if they open it up to Verizon they should open it up to T-Mobile and Sprint.

      I personally don't think they will offer it with a non GSM carrier. That being said the latest rumor is that Verizon is going to eventually stop carrying RIM products and keep pumping their Droid Devices.

      EDIT - If a CDMA phone were to surface I'm pretty sure apple wouldn't be happy with people flashing their devices and using it on metro pcs
    1. salayyad's Avatar
      salayyad -
      its hard to believe. the way verizon is throwing its weight behind the whole Droid name just seems like they are in bed with android. I dunno would be interesting to see if anything ever pans out.. Im starting to get sick of these rumors though. its been 2 years of specualtion but it would be good to be on more carriers. i think everyone should have an option to get this phone.
    1. Sk8r789456's Avatar
      Sk8r789456 -
      Bring it to sprint instead!

      Quote Originally Posted by SMokemyPole88 View Post
      IMO, if they open it up to Verizon they should open it up to T-Mobile and Sprint.

      I personally don't think they will offer it with a non GSM carrier. That being said the latest rumor is that Verizon is going to eventually stop carrying RIM products and keep pumping their Droid Devices.

      EDIT - If a CDMA phone were to surface I'm pretty sure apple wouldn't be happy with people flashing their devices and using it on metro pcs
      Why would they care if you flash the phone to metro or other services they are still getting paid no matter what.
    1. Nielsenius's Avatar
      Nielsenius -
      Considering how much Google and Verizon have been collaborating I'm not sure if Verizon would even want the iPhone. Android is growing pretty fast (it runs on more phones than iOS) and may even surpass iOS at some point in the near future. Plus, iPhone users use a lot of data. Could Verizon's network even handle the iPhone?

      On another note, I would be glad if Verizon got the iPhone. AT&T users, like myself, would have more bandwidth and people would finally realize that AT&T is actually a better network (in terms of speed and stability).
    1. tudtran's Avatar
      tudtran -
      I believe it when I see it. Cause this rumor been around for coupe years
    1. babyblue_pimp's Avatar
      babyblue_pimp -
      Quote Originally Posted by Nielsenius View Post
      Considering how much Google and Verizon have been collaborating I'm not sure if Verizon would even want the iPhone. Android is growing pretty fast (it runs on more phones than iOS) and may even surpass iOS at some point in the near future. Plus, iPhone users use a lot of data. Could Verizon's network even handle the iPhone?

      On another note, I would be glad if Verizon got the iPhone. AT&T users, like myself, would have more bandwidth and people would finally realize that AT&T is actually a better network (in terms of speed and stability).
      Agreed, Verizon has publicly bashed ATT and Apple, In my eyes apple should just let verizon suffer with only the androids.

      But in a business mind, for the iPhone to work on T-Mobile, they'd simply just have to change the radio chip, then that same device will work on BOTH att and T-Mobile

      But then again alot of companies offer devices for both CDMA and GSM, and considering Apple is trying to expand and take over the entire smartphone market, having a CDMA and GSM phone would make plenty of sense.

      BUT it just says apple is losing its exclusivness, which means the iPhone doesn't just have to go to one more carrier, they could release it on verizon and t-mobile and it would make sense. It wouldn't cost any more money to make the iphone 4 compatible with T-mobiles network (and its already a t-mobile exclusive in other countries) , and with the huge market of verizon customers and china, making a cdma phone makes sense.

      The biggest fault by apple was giving the iPhone to only one service provider, ANY provider would have crashed due to that amount of usage, but divided across 3 or 4 different carrier, the iPhone could officially take over everything.
    1. steve-z17's Avatar
      steve-z17 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon79 View Post
      Once the exclusivity agreement expires they could manufacture a T-Mobile version alongside the AT&T version... just with a different baseband chip to include the other 3G frequency.
      That would be awesome! I never had a dropped call on T-Mobile, but ever since I switched to AT&T I've had 4 or 5 of them. The upside though is I get more bars and I have 3G almost everywhere I go.
    1. Shishir G's Avatar
      Shishir G -
      Either t mobile or verizon apple goes for companies that dominate and have stability and a wide area of coverage sprint comes no where near that sprint isn't even a "big" company. Apples last choice would be them apple wants popular not poor
    1. wfeltmate's Avatar
      wfeltmate -
      Here in Canada, Bell and Telus, who both run CDMA networks are already offering the iphone and have been since the 3GS came out. So, I'd be more willing to bet that instead of lobbying Apple for a CDMA version, Verizon has been adding the equipment required to support GSM devices on their network
    1. C1KK's Avatar
      C1KK -
      I'm hoping Verizon gets the iPhone next year, no one I know has ever had anything bad to say about there service even though it might cost more, I switched my 3GS over to T-Mobile the other day, couldn't stand the horrible AT&T service in my area any longer, T-Mobile might suck just as much but for $30 less I'd rather deal with there bad service
    1. elduderino737's Avatar
      elduderino737 -
      I read that too and i want to say its only after they upgrade their network. This is a big benefit for me. I personally have a 3gs but i also have a droid x thru work. Verizon seems snappier at times but i hate not being able to access web/emails/maps while on the phone.