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  • About Those VeriPhone Rumors...


    Rumors are not news, I know… but when enough reports come together, all pointing in the same direction, then at a given point it's worth stopping and taking a look at what it all adds up to. If you're bored by all the rumor talk (and believe me, I'm pretty sick of it myself), please accept my apologies, and don't click the MORE link. For the sake of some folks out there, though - people who are wondering if they should buy an iPhone 4 now, for example, or if they should extend their AT&T contract - let's look at what the evidence there is for a Verizon iPhone in 2011.

    Verizon Wireless - just to review - uses a different telephony standard from AT&T and the other big US carriers. All current iPhones use GSM, so there would need to be a different device to work on Verizon's CDMA network. According to many observers, Apple has been working on an iPhone compatible with the largets US network for a long time now. In particular, John Gruber - who has a lot of inside sources and is so reliably pro-Apple that some people think that Steve Jobs pays him off - has been saying for a while that "Apple has a skunkworks CDMA iPhone project" like the skunkworks Intel Mac project back in the day when Mac OS X only ran on PowerPC.

    Gruber went further this week and specifically identified the CDMA iPhone by the Apple codename N92 (the iPhone 4, you may remember, was called N89 before its release). The phone, he says, is in Engineering Verification Test phase, which is limited to testing of one-off units inside the company. DVT, or Design Verification Test phase, is when Apple employees take phones out in the world (and lose them, sometimes). So if the CDMA phone takes that next step, it means the wheels need to already be turning for production in China.

    Bolstering this idea, TechCrunch's Steve Cheney reported at the beginning of the week that Apple is ordering millions of CDMA chips from Qualcomm. If Gruber is right that the VeriPhone is in EVT, then Apple would need to place that order right about now to have production ready by the end of the year. And as Michael reported the same day, leaks from the Asian manufacturing industry independently corroborated this story, and are indicating that a CDMA phone (possibly made of Apple's new Magic Metal) will be built by Pegatron for Verizon and China Telecom.

    Also this week, we learned that AT&T revealed in a filing to the SEC that it's warning its investors about possible negative effects when "exclusivity arrangements end" for popular smartphones. Since the iPhone is the only AT&T-exclusive smartphone that can be considered "popular," it's pretty clear what they were referring to. Big companies don't risk upsetting their investors for no reason. And finally, another piece of the puzzle came with the announcement this week that Verizon Chief Executive Officer Ivan Seidenberg had been selected to give the high-profile keynote address at the 2011 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas next January. The head of the big electronics confab said he'd be looking forward to hear about "Verizon’s next generation of products," which could certainly include a certain popular smartphone currently only available on a certain unpopular carrier.

    As Yogi Berra said, "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." We don't really know whether any of these reports are true, obviously. However, if you think you can wait until January for your next phone, and won't owe AT&T a huge early termination fee… it might not be a bad idea to wait and see what happens.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: About Those VeriPhone Rumors... started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 87 Comments
    1. johnr9412's Avatar
      johnr9412 -
      If they make a new iPhone for verizon better than the iPhone 4 and not for AT&T I'll be soo pissed
    1. gumby579's Avatar
      gumby579 -
      Quote Originally Posted by jeproks View Post
      When I received my iphone4, I gave away my 3GS to my sis-in-law. After 3 weeks of having issues with it, I decided to return it and buy another 3GS from CL. This is where it gets interesting, the guy that I bought the phone from have multiple iPhones in hand and asked him what he is doing with all of them. He said he mods them to run on sprint and verizon and he said he takes the chipset from a lg chocolate and put it in the iPhone and install his modified os to work. Calling off what I smell is bs, he dialed 611 on his phone and heard verizon customer service. Showed me the screen and it says EV next to the signal bar.

      He mentioned that apple just hired him and moving him to FL for work.
      Hmm...troll?
    1. PWNsyst3m's Avatar
      PWNsyst3m -
      I hope this is true. Maybe AT&Ts networks will finally get a break. There's way too much congestion and I'm sure 75% of those people only have an iPhone to be cool. Please oh please get over hyped Verizion iPhone. Lol
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      Quote Originally Posted by johnr9412 View Post
      If they make a new iPhone for verizon better than the iPhone 4 and not for AT&T I'll be soo pissed
      i would be really shocked if they changed the phone at all i think they will just change the chipset and leave it the way it is probably fix the proximity sensor and antenna. but i wouldnt expect any design changes other then the antenna
    1. gumby579's Avatar
      gumby579 -
      Quote Originally Posted by wolverinemarky View Post
      i would be really shocked if they changed the phone at all i think they will just change the chipset and leave it the way it is probably fix the proximity sensor and antenna. but i wouldnt expect any design changes other then the antenna
      I highly doubt they change anything. It would be bad PR to release a better version of the exact same phone with a new carrier. Sure Verizon would have a lot of people who would be please but think of the current millions of customers with AT&T who would be pissed at Apple.

      Maybe just wait for a release until next summer?
    1. jeproks's Avatar
      jeproks -
      Quote Originally Posted by gumby579 View Post
      Hmm...troll?
      = yes

      me = no
    1. Shishir G's Avatar
      Shishir G -
      Instead of you all whining and complaining and competing if verizon or t-mobile should have the iphone, why not say all of them?
      Why shouldn't iphone be for all carries?
      Before some smartass replys to this, i didn't do research its a question, if you can answer it go ahead.

      If they made it for all carriers they would expand in ways no one can imagine.
      Apple would pretty much dominate the tech world, but then again, it's been dominating this year ALOT
    1. cory's Avatar
      cory -
      I think if there does ever come a CDMA version of the iphone, we have china to thank for it. With China being such a HUGE market, Apple was more inclined to work with them, then just worrying about verizon. Since the deal went through with China, little modding should be needed for a verizon model.

      but thats just my opinion...
    1. gg915's Avatar
      gg915 -
      Hopefully, if the iphone does come to verizon, it could be unlocked to work with other cdma carriers. I would like that because i'm on sprint.
    1. Jahooba's Avatar
      Jahooba -
      I don't mind the rumors. It gives us all something to talk about. And if you don't want to talk about it, then don't open that thread. I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone what they're tired of reading. IF YOU'RE TIRED OF READING IT THEN DON'T READ IT.
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Trooper Sam View Post
      China has an enormous base of CDMA users. That market alone would make it a good business decision.
      One would think that they would have then released a CDMA phone in China instead of the GSM version that they alread did release months ago... Why would you release the GSM version in China if you have a CDMA version around the corner which will be available to far more users?
    1. Halten77's Avatar
      Halten77 -
      Would it be a good marketing decision if Apple releases the iPhone for Sprint? Why or Why Not?
    1. drjailbreakMD's Avatar
      drjailbreakMD -
      Couldnt agree more.....well said!!!!
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jahooba View Post
      I don't mind the rumors. It gives us all something to talk about. And if you don't want to talk about it, then don't open that thread. I don't understand why some people feel the need to tell everyone what they're tired of reading. IF YOU'RE TIRED OF READING IT THEN DON'T READ IT.
      The point is rumors are not news. I think most people get annoyed that 50% of the "news" on this thread is actually just rumors. Hell, make a rumors section. I bet you money it would get frequented MUCH less.
    1. drjailbreakMD's Avatar
      drjailbreakMD -
      Quote Originally Posted by n00neimp0rtant View Post
      Why would Apple make a model of iPhone for carriers in 88 countries, and a completely separate model for ONE carrier in ONE country, just because they can't be bothered to update their technology? T-Mobile makes the most sense by far in the U.S.
      Couldnt agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. sziklassy's Avatar
      sziklassy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Halten77 View Post
      Would it be a good marketing decision if Apple releases the iPhone for Sprint? Why or Why Not?
      IMO no, Sprint has been on its last leg for years. Unless they roll a 4G iPhone out (which could actually be sprint's saviour but Apple is unlikely to do so), I don;t see sprint getting the phone.

      Quote Originally Posted by J_Marley View Post
      I'm sorry, but this is a completely ignorant comment. It has nothing to do with updating technology, and actually if you did some research, you would find that there is a VERY good reason that many companies in the US are CDMA instead of GSM.

      And as far as the T-Mobile making the most sense in the US? Again, do your research before you make a statement like this. AT&T has a far greater coverage area than T-Mobile (maybe not better, but bigger). For myself, there are only two major cities in the whole state that carry T-Mobile and it does not work in most of the rest of the state. So no, T-Mobile is not a smart move for Apple if they want to reach the most market.
      You can throw the word "ignorant" around all you want man. Why not back it with a statement other than "do your research"? How hard would it be for you to sum up why CDMA is a good idea in the US? Why don't YOU enlighten us?
    1. drjailbreakMD's Avatar
      drjailbreakMD -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      IMO no, Sprint has been on its last leg for years. Unless they roll a 4G iPhone out (which could actually be sprint's saviour but Apple is unlikely to do so), I don;t see sprint getting the phone.



      You can throw the word "ignorant" around all you want man. Why not back it with a statement other than "do your research"? How hard would it be for you to sum up why CDMA is a good idea in the US? Why don't YOU enlighten us?

    1. Halten77's Avatar
      Halten77 -
      Verizon seems like a good idea then But damn so many phones to choose from... Droid X, Incredible, Droid... And now the iPhone? Lol. I'm good with AT&T now, unless verizon has "Faster Internet" then I'm sticking with AT&T. HTC Evo 4G (>, =, <) iPhone?
    1. PWNsyst3m's Avatar
      PWNsyst3m -
      All of you are ignorant. Every shred of evidence points to Boost Mobile. It's a fact. Believe it.
    1. J_Marley's Avatar
      J_Marley -
      Quote Originally Posted by sziklassy View Post
      You can throw the word "ignorant" around all you want man. Why not back it with a statement other than "do your research"? How hard would it be for you to sum up why CDMA is a good idea in the US? Why don't YOU enlighten us?
      lol, classic bait and switch. Not sure if you were actually asking or just trying to get a reaction, but thanks. And I'm sure I would be happy to if I had them right in front of me, but it's been a couple months since I have had to do the research myself and there is a LOT of information on the differences between them. If you are honestly that interested in the information, send me a PM and I'll find what I have on it. Always happy to help inform.

      One thing about forums and our 'news' is that most of it is half truths based on a small bit of fact and then extrapolated to mean what we want it to. For instance, 'unlocking' a CDMA phone kinda doesn't exist in the conventional sense. It's not like GSM where you just pop a SIM card in and the carrier information is already there. With CDMA the settings are programmed into the phone from the carrier and would need to be updated with each carrier you go to. Most won't even take a device from another company. And if a company has never carried that particular device, chances are they will not have the exact programming to have the phone work accurately for that device. You may get lucky, but there's a higher probability that you won't.