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  • About Those VeriPhone Rumors...


    Rumors are not news, I know… but when enough reports come together, all pointing in the same direction, then at a given point it's worth stopping and taking a look at what it all adds up to. If you're bored by all the rumor talk (and believe me, I'm pretty sick of it myself), please accept my apologies, and don't click the MORE link. For the sake of some folks out there, though - people who are wondering if they should buy an iPhone 4 now, for example, or if they should extend their AT&T contract - let's look at what the evidence there is for a Verizon iPhone in 2011.

    Verizon Wireless - just to review - uses a different telephony standard from AT&T and the other big US carriers. All current iPhones use GSM, so there would need to be a different device to work on Verizon's CDMA network. According to many observers, Apple has been working on an iPhone compatible with the largets US network for a long time now. In particular, John Gruber - who has a lot of inside sources and is so reliably pro-Apple that some people think that Steve Jobs pays him off - has been saying for a while that "Apple has a skunkworks CDMA iPhone project" like the skunkworks Intel Mac project back in the day when Mac OS X only ran on PowerPC.

    Gruber went further this week and specifically identified the CDMA iPhone by the Apple codename N92 (the iPhone 4, you may remember, was called N89 before its release). The phone, he says, is in Engineering Verification Test phase, which is limited to testing of one-off units inside the company. DVT, or Design Verification Test phase, is when Apple employees take phones out in the world (and lose them, sometimes). So if the CDMA phone takes that next step, it means the wheels need to already be turning for production in China.

    Bolstering this idea, TechCrunch's Steve Cheney reported at the beginning of the week that Apple is ordering millions of CDMA chips from Qualcomm. If Gruber is right that the VeriPhone is in EVT, then Apple would need to place that order right about now to have production ready by the end of the year. And as Michael reported the same day, leaks from the Asian manufacturing industry independently corroborated this story, and are indicating that a CDMA phone (possibly made of Apple's new Magic Metal) will be built by Pegatron for Verizon and China Telecom.

    Also this week, we learned that AT&T revealed in a filing to the SEC that it's warning its investors about possible negative effects when "exclusivity arrangements end" for popular smartphones. Since the iPhone is the only AT&T-exclusive smartphone that can be considered "popular," it's pretty clear what they were referring to. Big companies don't risk upsetting their investors for no reason. And finally, another piece of the puzzle came with the announcement this week that Verizon Chief Executive Officer Ivan Seidenberg had been selected to give the high-profile keynote address at the 2011 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas next January. The head of the big electronics confab said he'd be looking forward to hear about "Verizon’s next generation of products," which could certainly include a certain popular smartphone currently only available on a certain unpopular carrier.

    As Yogi Berra said, "It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." We don't really know whether any of these reports are true, obviously. However, if you think you can wait until January for your next phone, and won't owe AT&T a huge early termination fee… it might not be a bad idea to wait and see what happens.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: About Those VeriPhone Rumors... started by Paul Daniel Ash View original post
    Comments 87 Comments
    1. whereswaldo's Avatar
      whereswaldo -
      Thank you for stating actual facts, unlike the rest of the Verizon rumours which rely on "sources"
    1. cultgti's Avatar
      cultgti -
      just bring it to Tmobile USA and im happy with life for a long time!!
    1. n00neimp0rtant's Avatar
      n00neimp0rtant -
      Why would Apple make a model of iPhone for carriers in 88 countries, and a completely separate model for ONE carrier in ONE country, just because they can't be bothered to update their technology? T-Mobile makes the most sense by far in the U.S.
    1. LastSonOfKrypton's Avatar
      LastSonOfKrypton -
      Jailbroken iPhone 4 on Verizon would be heaven for me.
    1. Poseidon79's Avatar
      Poseidon79 -
      Once the exclusivity agreement expires they could manufacture a T-Mobile version alongside the AT&T version... just with a different baseband chip to include the other 3G frequency.
    1. PhanaticD's Avatar
      PhanaticD -
      @lostsonofkrypton amen to that
    1. ampdrinkr8's Avatar
      ampdrinkr8 -
      i have been told from a very close friend who works for verizon..... and from what ive heard its gonna happen .. that they are designing one iphone specifically for verizon only in the u.s ... but like everyone else .. im so sick of the rumors etc ... its to the point now ..i hope iT DOESNT HAPPEN ... just because how big s deal its became ... i think they should just offer to t-mobile and att only in the u.s ... bcthe iphone is what seperates the 2 companys as of the past few years obviously
    1. soulthoughts's Avatar
      soulthoughts -
      Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it impossible to talk and use data on Verizon at the same time? If so, how would that work?
    1. tellytel's Avatar
      tellytel -
      i personally dont care if it happens. But thinking about it, doesnt sprint run a cmda chip in their phones? Cause a unlocked cmda iphone on sprints network for 69$ unlimitied sounds pretty good.
    1. Kyle Matthews's Avatar
      Kyle Matthews -
      Quote Originally Posted by n00neimp0rtant View Post
      Why would Apple make a model of iPhone for carriers in 88 countries, and a completely separate model for ONE carrier in ONE country, just because they can't be bothered to update their technology? T-Mobile makes the most sense by far in the U.S.
      There are tons of CDMA carriers, and over 500 million CDMA users.
    1. zoofer's Avatar
      zoofer -
      With Verizon's CDMA will I be able to talk on the phone while checking my email?
    1. greek.guy's Avatar
      greek.guy -
      Quote Originally Posted by LastSonOfKrypton View Post
      Jailbroken iPhone 4 on Verizon would be heaven for me.
      Quote Originally Posted by PhanaticD View Post
      @lostsonofkrypton amen to that
      agreed.

      but like others said, this rumor is long overdue. If it doesnt happen in january i really hope it just dies out..
    1. JazJon's Avatar
      JazJon -
      Quote Originally Posted by soulthoughts View Post
      Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it impossible to talk and use data on Verizon at the same time? If so, how would that work?
      I think I read they might have a work around for that, someone please confirm. If know you can when they finish 4G
    1. Trooper Sam's Avatar
      Trooper Sam -
      Quote Originally Posted by n00neimp0rtant View Post
      Why would Apple make a model of iPhone for carriers in 88 countries, and a completely separate model for ONE carrier in ONE country, just because they can't be bothered to update their technology? T-Mobile makes the most sense by far in the U.S.
      China has an enormous base of CDMA users. That market alone would make it a good business decision.
    1. mohaas05's Avatar
      mohaas05 -
      Verizon is moving their network over to LTE, which currently is data only. It's not a stretch that the VeriPhone may use LTE for data and CDMA for voice.
    1. J_Marley's Avatar
      J_Marley -
      Quote Originally Posted by n00neimp0rtant View Post
      Why would Apple make a model of iPhone for carriers in 88 countries, and a completely separate model for ONE carrier in ONE country, just because they can't be bothered to update their technology? T-Mobile makes the most sense by far in the U.S.
      I'm sorry, but this is a completely ignorant comment. It has nothing to do with updating technology, and actually if you did some research, you would find that there is a VERY good reason that many companies in the US are CDMA instead of GSM.

      And as far as the T-Mobile making the most sense in the US? Again, do your research before you make a statement like this. AT&T has a far greater coverage area than T-Mobile (maybe not better, but bigger). For myself, there are only two major cities in the whole state that carry T-Mobile and it does not work in most of the rest of the state. So no, T-Mobile is not a smart move for Apple if they want to reach the most market.
    1. wolverinemarky's Avatar
      wolverinemarky -
      y go for just verizon i would hit sprint up and tmobile also then we can really see how andorid devices will stand up to widespread apple iPhone competition
    1. greek.guy's Avatar
      greek.guy -
      Quote Originally Posted by JazJon View Post
      I think I read they might have a work around for that, someone please confirm. If know you can when they finish 4G
      im sure if they do plan on rolling out the iphone with verizon, there will be a fix for this..at least i would hope
    1. justice1200's Avatar
      justice1200 -
      We used to have CDMA in Australia, but Telstra canned it, shut it down and then re badged it "next G" but I am pretty sure it isn't CDMA now because my 3GS works on that network... (jailbroken and unlocked)
    1. jeproks's Avatar
      jeproks -
      When I received my iphone4, I gave away my 3GS to my sis-in-law. After 3 weeks of having issues with it, I decided to return it and buy another 3GS from CL. This is where it gets interesting, the guy that I bought the phone from have multiple iPhones in hand and asked him what he is doing with all of them. He said he mods them to run on sprint and verizon and he said he takes the chipset from a lg chocolate and put it in the iPhone and install his modified os to work. Calling off what I smell is bs, he dialed 611 on his phone and heard verizon customer service. Showed me the screen and it says EV next to the signal bar.

      He mentioned that apple just hired him and moving him to FL for work.